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Upcoming "balancing" overall repercussions.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#21 - 2012-09-23 22:13:44 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Errr...I am missing something.

What AI buff?
Can someone provide a link?


Dev blogs are oft-times useful reading.


I am all over the Features forums and saw nothing.
Jinton Mare
Sadistic Lepers
#22 - 2012-09-23 22:19:30 UTC
Jester's Trek changes to AI

This is a interesting take on the misson nerf and one that should be discussed
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-09-23 22:36:46 UTC
HM's base speed huge increase it's not really "nerf"

-25% dmg considering speed impact is increased and explosion radius is lowered looks like "nerf" but it's probably not really one, if you counter target speed with +speed impact and reduced radius explo you should probably do almost same dmg, then seems +5kin dmg will be changed for rof witch in the end should be +/- like now but more in line with other medium guns range.

Still not decided if this is or is not the nerf so many are already crying about.

brb
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#24 - 2012-09-24 01:08:47 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Errr...I am missing something.

What AI buff?
Can someone provide a link?


Dev blogs are oft-times useful reading.


I am all over the Features forums and saw nothing.


Brains! Nom! Nom! or something like. Also, it's in the Dev Blog Forum.

edit: EVE Information Portal.
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Pipa Porto
#25 - 2012-09-24 01:14:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Speaker for TheDead wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
So overpowered ships should remain overpowered because people are using them? kay



How can anyone use "Overpowered" when discussing a drake? Oops


Got another BC that can do 400DPS from 70km while sporting a ~70k EHP tank, Prop mod, and Point?

No other BC comes anywhere near to that.

Heck, name any other non-T3 BC that does 400DPS from 70km, ignoring tank, prop mod, and point.

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-RubyPorto
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-09-24 01:18:09 UTC
This is why i use a Nightmare 1000dps out to 80+kms


hardly ever use my drones


lols to the drake
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#27 - 2012-09-24 01:21:24 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Speaker for TheDead wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
So overpowered ships should remain overpowered because people are using them? kay



How can anyone use "Overpowered" when discussing a drake? Oops


Got another BC that can do 400DPS from 70km while sporting a ~70k EHP tank, Prop mod, and Point?

No other BC comes anywhere near to that.

Heck, name any other non-T3 BC that does 400DPS from 70km, ignoring tank, prop mod, and point.


How do you mean? To get all of that out of a drake you need a lot of expensive mods. It can get 70k EHP easy but wont have the 2 mid slots you speak of. You could do it but it would be very expensive. As I said earlier I agree the tank of the drake is OP.

I could make an equally powerful wh or mission running n Myrmidon if I was allowwed to spend as much money.

Unless you aren't talking about omnitank. In which case any of the four tier 2 battlecruisers can run level 4's, and 70kehp is utterly irrelevant.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Selinate
#28 - 2012-09-24 01:28:15 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Speaker for TheDead wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
So overpowered ships should remain overpowered because people are using them? kay



How can anyone use "Overpowered" when discussing a drake? Oops


Got another BC that can do 400DPS from 70km while sporting a ~70k EHP tank, Prop mod, and Point?

No other BC comes anywhere near to that.

Heck, name any other non-T3 BC that does 400DPS from 70km, ignoring tank, prop mod, and point.


How do you mean? To get all of that out of a drake you need a lot of expensive mods. It can get 70k EHP easy but wont have the 2 mid slots you speak of. You could do it but it would be very expensive. As I said earlier I agree the tank of the drake is OP.

I could make an equally powerful wh or mission running n Myrmidon if I was allowwed to spend as much money.

Unless you aren't talking about omnitank. In which case any of the four tier 2 battlecruisers can run level 4's, and 70kehp is utterly irrelevant.


To be fair, myrmidons rely on drones if I remember correctly ( I don't fly gallente), and sleepers can have a particular taste for drones, ergo this isn't a very good comparison.

The harbi sucks in comparison, though. I can attest to this, for the PvE option.
Pipa Porto
#29 - 2012-09-24 01:39:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Cipher Jones wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Speaker for TheDead wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
So overpowered ships should remain overpowered because people are using them? kay



How can anyone use "Overpowered" when discussing a drake? Oops


Got another BC that can do 400DPS from 70km while sporting a ~70k EHP tank, Prop mod, and Point?

No other BC comes anywhere near to that.

Heck, name any other non-T3 BC that does 400DPS from 70km, ignoring tank, prop mod, and point.


How do you mean? To get all of that out of a drake you need a lot of expensive mods. It can get 70k EHP easy but wont have the 2 mid slots you speak of. You could do it but it would be very expensive. As I said earlier I agree the tank of the drake is OP.

I could make an equally powerful wh or mission running n Myrmidon if I was allowwed to spend as much money.

Unless you aren't talking about omnitank. In which case any of the four tier 2 battlecruisers can run level 4's, and 70kehp is utterly irrelevant.



T2 modules are ever so expensive.
74k EHP, 396 DPS @ 74km, MWD, Point, Web (hey, I had forgotten that this fit has a web. Feel free to swap it for more tank or a TP or some other EWAR.)*

So, which other BC can do that? A Myrm can't reach out anywhere near 70km with the Dual 150s it can fit with a 70k EHP tank (possibly also true of the 250s it can fit without a tank, cba to check), and won't get anywhere near 400 DPS at 70km with its sentries.



*[Drake, Shield Fleet BC]

Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2012-09-24 01:48:14 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:


How do you mean? To get all of that out of a drake you need a lot of expensive mods.


T2 are expensive?

Damn you are even more poor than meStraight
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#31 - 2012-09-24 02:17:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
That fit has about 60k EHP against sleepers because of the huge thermal hole. It tanks about 100DPS and lasts about 3 minutes when not being neuted.

baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:


How do you mean? To get all of that out of a drake you need a lot of expensive mods.


T2 are expensive?

Damn you are even more poor than meStraight


I meant to actually have 74k EHP. You can have 300k EHP but if your EM resist is 0 the sleepers will switch to EM damage and kill you quickly.

Quote:
To be fair, myrmidons rely on drones if I remember correctly ( I don't fly gallente), and sleepers can have a particular taste for drones, ergo this isn't a very good comparison.

The harbi sucks in comparison, though. I can attest to this, for the PvE option.To be fair, myrmidons rely on drones if I remember correctly ( I don't fly gallente), and sleepers can have a particular taste for drones, ergo this isn't a very good comparison.

The harbi sucks in comparison, though. I can attest to this, for the PvE option.


Agreed that the Harby sucks in comaprison to the drakes tank.

Losing drones is not an issue. You can recall your sentries and you don't attack far out with lights.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Pipa Porto
#32 - 2012-09-24 02:26:31 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
That fit has about 60k EHP against sleepers because of the huge thermal hole. It tanks about 100DPS and lasts about 3 minutes when not being neuted.

baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:


How do you mean? To get all of that out of a drake you need a lot of expensive mods.


T2 are expensive?

Damn you are even more poor than meStraight


I meant to actually have 74k EHP. You can have 300k EHP but if your EM resist is 0 the sleepers will switch to EM damage and kill you quickly.


LOL@PVE

Nobody cares what the balance of ships is with regards to PvE. There's nothing remotely important about the relative balance between ships used for PvE. When we say the Drake is overpowered, we're talking about PvP.
Oh, and there's that spare mid with the web. Feel free to patch the thermal hole. If you need CPU, drop the Nano for a Co-Proc.

So, show me another BC that can do 70k EHP, 400DPS @70km, run a prop mod, and run tackle.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2012-09-24 02:28:24 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:


I meant to actually have 74k EHP. You can have 300k EHP but if your EM resist is 0 the sleepers will switch to EM damage and kill you quickly.


Care to explain why you are going on about sleepers vs a pvp fitted drake?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#34 - 2012-09-24 02:29:14 UTC
Quote:
LOL@PVE

Nobody cares what the balance of ships is with regards to PvE. There's nothing remotely important about the relative balance between ships used for PvE. When we say the Drake is overpowered, we're talking about PvP.
Oh, and there's that spare mid with the web. Feel free to patch the thermal hole. If you need CPU, drop the Nano for a Co-Proc.

So, show me another BC that can do 70k EHP, 400DPS @70km, run a prop mod, and run tackle.


So you are saying that that drake cant be beat by another tier 2 BC in PvP? ROFL if you are.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#35 - 2012-09-24 02:30:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:


I meant to actually have 74k EHP. You can have 300k EHP but if your EM resist is 0 the sleepers will switch to EM damage and kill you quickly.


Care to explain why you are going on about sleepers vs a pvp fitted drake?


Care to read the trhead, or troll better? Its already been explained. Thanks for the bump tho.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Pipa Porto
#36 - 2012-09-24 02:40:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
LOL@PVE

Nobody cares what the balance of ships is with regards to PvE. There's nothing remotely important about the relative balance between ships used for PvE. When we say the Drake is overpowered, we're talking about PvP.
Oh, and there's that spare mid with the web. Feel free to patch the thermal hole. If you need CPU, drop the Nano for a Co-Proc.

So, show me another BC that can do 70k EHP, 400DPS @70km, run a prop mod, and run tackle.


So you are saying that that drake cant be beat by another tier 2 BC in PvP? ROFL if you are.


I didn't say that.

Are you going to show me another BC that can do 70k EHP, 400DPS @70km, run a prop mod, and run tackle?

That said, any other LR t2 BC, yes. Remember, HMs are Long Range weapons in the class of Arty, Railguns, and Beams. A competently flown Drake will beat any other LR t2 BC. It'll beat a RailRox, it'll beat an ArtyCane, it'll beat a BeamHarbi (Harbieam?).

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#37 - 2012-09-24 02:43:15 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
LOL@PVE

Nobody cares what the balance of ships is with regards to PvE. There's nothing remotely important about the relative balance between ships used for PvE. When we say the Drake is overpowered, we're talking about PvP.
Oh, and there's that spare mid with the web. Feel free to patch the thermal hole. If you need CPU, drop the Nano for a Co-Proc.

So, show me another BC that can do 70k EHP, 400DPS @70km, run a prop mod, and run tackle.


So you are saying that that drake cant be beat by another tier 2 BC in PvP? ROFL if you are.


I didn't say that.

Are you going to show me another BC that can do 70k EHP, 400DPS @70km, run a prop mod, and run tackle?

That said, any other LR t2 BC, yes. Remember, HMs are Long Range weapons in the class of Arty, Railguns, and Beams. A competently flown Drake will beat any other LR t2 BC. It'll beat a RailRox, it'll beat an ArtyCane, it'll beat a BeamHarbi (Harbieam?).


Any of the 3 other tier 2 battlecruisers can be made to point, tank 400 dps, and have over 130 DPS. That would be the requirements to beat that fit 100% of the time in a 1v1 assuming no operator error on either side.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2012-09-24 02:51:30 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:


Care to read the trhead, or troll better? Its already been explained. Thanks for the bump tho.


I have read the thread. Its clear you have very little grasp over why the HML is getting a nerf.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#39 - 2012-09-24 03:04:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:


Care to read the trhead, or troll better? Its already been explained. Thanks for the bump tho.


I have read the thread. Its clear you have very little grasp over why the HML is getting a nerf.


Then ***** at me in the relevant thread. This one is about the repercussions of the combined upcoming balances.

You can explain the causality of it here if you want, it will make a nice little backstory. Saying that I don't understand the causality of it without explaining it is shipoasting at its finest.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2012-09-24 03:10:58 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:


Then ***** at me in the relevant thread. This one is about the repercussions of the combined upcoming balances.

You can explain the causality of it here if you want, it will make a nice little backstory. Saying that I don't understand the causality of it without explaining it is shipoasting at its finest.


Genrally speaking, before you post up an argument you look up the things you are arguing about otherwise you just end up bad posting.

As far as mission runners go after these changes. They will adapt, just as they have before and most likely dump the tengu for battleships or even go for a HAM tengu. The Golem and navy raven will most likely see more action thanks to the longer ranges and better damage applications of torps. Cruise missiles might even see a revival.