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Wasted space

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Roderick Grey
Koenigsbergers
#21 - 2012-09-23 12:43:55 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Hurr Durr wasted space!


Have you ever heard of a place called the dronelands? They even have renters and it's x10 more empty.

“We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.” - Special needs division of Fcon.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-09-23 17:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Marlona Sky wrote:
It is a symptom of the incredibly over the top power projection in this game. Why bother using and patrolling systems you own when you can run back to deal with any real threats in a matter of minutes.... from anywhere in the galaxy.
Yeah nerf jump bridges some more, then all those nullsec corridor systems with a sec status of 0.01 will be bumpin with life http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Querious/A-Z7C9,3B-IWE
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-09-23 19:36:27 UTC
Crap when I read the title I thought this was about James 315...
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#24 - 2012-09-23 20:14:42 UTC
Xpaulusx wrote:
Sov, BlueBlobfest.......boring, and ultimately pointless, NPC small gang warfare is where its at, let the sheep have their Sov and take orders from their masters P

This is a good point. I have done a few lowsec sorties in recent days just snooping around and FW seems to be working nicely. Low systems that were as good as devoid of life seem to have had a breath of life added.

(I have been away for while so it's not something I was expecting nor am I familiar with FW but it looks refreshing)

Now for the 0.0 shakeup yeah?

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-09-23 20:37:29 UTC
You people keep spewing out "power projection" as if it's the reason those systems are empty.

Strange how smaller alliances have issues with "wasted" systems.

Instead of bleetng on with the same lame "power projection" complaint, how about asking "why isn't anyone USING those systems". If it's empty, and no ones partrolling, wtf are you just flying threw it?

It's not like CCP didn't give you the ability to do things in a system without running agent missions. So why don't you guys do things in them?

I understand that the "power projection" sperg is really just another way of saying "make the game harder for goons CCP."

Because obviously if a 10k man coalition can't hold a system, your ****** little 100 man alliance will be able to.

If you can't find a reason to take the system for your own, or if you can't manage to take the system while we're already engaged in a war with someone else, then how do you think "making it harder for goons" is going to be easier for you?

If it's harder for 1000 guys to do something, it'll be harder for 100 guys to do the same thing.



Funny how Goons were able to do exactly what you people are constantly bitching that you can't, under pretty much the same circumstances, minus developer help. As if you don't have the exact same mechanics to work with that the guys who built goons up to where we are had.

You guys keep crying. CCP isn't going to change **** so that you can have some sort of imaginary advantage with smaller numbers over a group 10x larger then you.



By all means, help us help you. What do we need to do to motivate you whiny, lazy, self entitled little btiches, with zero politicing skills to actually do something other then cry to CCP to do it for you. Because insulting, scamming, ganking, market manipulation, and just general shitting you doesn't seem to doing the job.

Or maybe we're not as disliked as you people pretend


Props to NC. Real EVE players, with real balls. Unlike the rest of you.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-09-23 20:41:31 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
By all means, help us help you. What do we need to do to motivate you whiny, lazy, self entitled little btiches, with zero politicing skills to actually do something other then cry to CCP to do it for you. Because insulting, scamming, ganking, market manipulation, and just general shitting you doesn't seem to doing the job.

Well said, that's hilarious...

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Or maybe we're not as disliked as you people pretend

You're not disliked by me... Not at all...

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Props to NC. Real EVE players, with real balls. Unlike the rest of you.

I'm a real player. Just not very good. But I don't blame anyone else...
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#27 - 2012-09-23 20:49:08 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

spurge.....

how about asking "why isn't anyone USING those systems". If it's empty, and no ones partrolling, wtf are you just flying threw it?

It's not like CCP didn't give you the ability to do things in a system without running agent missions. So why don't you guys do things in them?

cough. Sorry Mr. Goon sir. I think I WAS actually asking that?

And I take it your (rather angry and lengthy) post (did you just lose a ship to NC or sumthin') was an invite to all of Eve to come use all that wasted and empty space?

If Goons were so egalitarian, perhaps you could blue everyone so we can all enjoy your lovely home Sir.

No sorry, what was that, you're away getting MOAR territory.

Ok fine. later then....


"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-09-23 20:52:42 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
By all means, help us help you. What do we need to do to motivate you whiny, lazy, self entitled little btiches, with zero politicing skills to actually do something other then cry to CCP to do it for you. Because insulting, scamming, ganking, market manipulation, and just general shitting you doesn't seem to doing the job.

Well said, that's hilarious...

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Or maybe we're not as disliked as you people pretend

You're not disliked by me... Not at all...

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Props to NC. Real EVE players, with real balls. Unlike the rest of you.

I'm a real player. Just not very good. But I don't blame anyone else...

Congrats to you good sir for getting it!




Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-09-23 20:56:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Touval Lysander wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

spurge.....

how about asking "why isn't anyone USING those systems". If it's empty, and no ones partrolling, wtf are you just flying threw it?

It's not like CCP didn't give you the ability to do things in a system without running agent missions. So why don't you guys do things in them?

cough. Sorry Mr. Goon sir. I think I WAS actually asking that?

And I take it your (rather angry and lengthy) post (did you just lose a ship to NC or sumthin') was an invite to all of Eve to come use all that wasted and empty space?

If Goons were so egalitarian, perhaps you could blue everyone so we can all enjoy your lovely home Sir.

No sorry, what was that, you're away getting MOAR territory.

Ok fine. later then....



Did you harp on the "force projection" as if somehow having far fewer numbers then us will, regardless of what CCP does, make taking and holding territory harder for us while easier for you?

You know that, for those poeple who seem to have this idiotic notion that if space was harder for us to hold it would be easier for everyone else, that organizing and politicing would actually be considerably more helpful to their causing then crying about goons is.

MOAR territory. That's funny, not as funny as my post though.
You would think we didn't just give territory away. You just keep on posting, it's cute.


Edit: I say this with the sincerest of honesty. Some of you people come up with the most moronic of excuses for incompetence. Stay away from the butter knives, you might hurt yourselves. Actually, eat with your fingers, I dont' trust you people with spoons.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#30 - 2012-09-23 21:05:37 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

spurge.....

how about asking "why isn't anyone USING those systems". If it's empty, and no ones partrolling, wtf are you just flying threw it?

It's not like CCP didn't give you the ability to do things in a system without running agent missions. So why don't you guys do things in them?

cough. Sorry Mr. Goon sir. I think I WAS actually asking that?

And I take it your (rather angry and lengthy) post (did you just lose a ship to NC or sumthin') was an invite to all of Eve to come use all that wasted and empty space?

If Goons were so egalitarian, perhaps you could blue everyone so we can all enjoy your lovely home Sir.

No sorry, what was that, you're away getting MOAR territory.

Ok fine. later then....



Did you harp on the "force projection" as if somehow having far fewer numbers then us will, regardless of what CCP does, make taking and holding territory harder for us while easier for you?

You know that, for those poeple who seem to have this idiotic notion that if space was harder for us to hold it would be easier for everyone else, that organizing and politicing would actually be considerably more helpful to their causing then crying about goons is.

MOAR territory. That's funny, not as funny as my post though.
You would think we didn't just give territory away. You just keep on posting, it's cute.


You don't "GIVE" anything away. The holders of said wasted space have a price to pay.

And my beef is you don't have to defend it - not that you got it - and I made that point way back when.

I can attack, I can do what I please while you're off claiming MOAR ground. And YOU know that I can't do **** until that timer goes off and you got 24 hours to come back to stem the flow.

Dare I say, pull reo timers outta the game. It will do 2 things
1) Force even the largest alliances to field a defense force at all times reducing your offensive capabilities
2) Limit the space you own. What you can't defend ALL the time, you lose.

And be a little more humble sir. This has NOTHING to do with Goons and everything to do with 0.0 being Wasted Space - because it is too easy to leave it sit doing nothing.

The fact that I was in PXF (CFC space all the way down the pipe) was just because that is where my clone was.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-09-23 21:05:56 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

spurge.....

how about asking "why isn't anyone USING those systems". If it's empty, and no ones partrolling, wtf are you just flying threw it?

It's not like CCP didn't give you the ability to do things in a system without running agent missions. So why don't you guys do things in them?

cough. Sorry Mr. Goon sir. I think I WAS actually asking that?

And I take it your (rather angry and lengthy) post (did you just lose a ship to NC or sumthin') was an invite to all of Eve to come use all that wasted and empty space?

If Goons were so egalitarian, perhaps you could blue everyone so we can all enjoy your lovely home Sir.

No sorry, what was that, you're away getting MOAR territory.

Ok fine. later then....




npc alts are not 'people'

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-09-23 21:08:47 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
And YOU know that I can't do **** until that timer goes off and you got 24 hours to come back to stem the flow.


believe it or not surprise attacks used to be a thing until CCP decided that everyone should have 3 hours advance notice before any of their sovereignty **** can be shot

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#33 - 2012-09-23 21:12:05 UTC
Andski wrote:

npc alts are not 'people'

Do you EVER come up with a different retort? My sortee yesterday was getting my stuff together after a 4 month sabbatical. atm I'm catching up on what's going down before deciding "where to today".

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-09-23 21:55:37 UTC
Everyone who might otherwise be interested in all that empty unused space is, instead, shacked up in highsec where they get all the rewards and security they could ever need handed to them on a plate by NPCs for zero effort.

Nobody is going to go to the effort to invade Pure Blind or Cloud Ring for control of some ****** little -0.1 pipe system with 4 belts and a couple of r16 moons, despite the usual tedious whines about how Force Projection And Napfests Are Keeping The Little Guy Down.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#35 - 2012-09-23 23:21:17 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Everyone who might otherwise be interested in all that empty unused space is, instead, shacked up in highsec where they get all the rewards and security they could ever need handed to them on a plate by NPCs for zero effort.

Nobody is going to go to the effort to invade Pure Blind or Cloud Ring for control of some ****** little -0.1 pipe system with 4 belts and a couple of r16 moons, despite the usual tedious whines about how Force Projection And Napfests Are Keeping The Little Guy Down.

You guys are a bit tetchy aren't you?

It's NOT about keeping the little guy down (I mean you come in to highsec and beat them down anyway so moot point).

It's about not needing to defend it with an active, patrolling, nasty, shock and awe defense force.

You can just hop back in 3 easy steps, "fix" the problem, ya got 24 hours to do it, and then ya can go about your business.

Me thinx 0.0 would be so much the sweeter if you HAD to BE THERE to defend it. 23.8/7

All 0.0 sov is going to shrink and allow others, (who may/may not be highseccers), a crack at some space. Just remember that they too will ALSO have to actively patrol using nasty, shock and awe defense forces. My sov territory is limited to my ability to actively defend. Not needed atm. By any sov alliance.

If lightning raids are going to come at you from all directions - you better be there - not have your entire force somewhere else with a quick-fix hop, skip and jump to come defend.

It's just a thought and an observation.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-09-23 23:54:07 UTC
Why should we defend space if it's not being attacked?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#37 - 2012-09-23 23:56:26 UTC
Gorn Arming wrote:
Why should we defend space when we don't have to?

fixed it for ya.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-09-24 00:07:06 UTC
having to defend 23/7 against giant alliances will help small alliances because
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#39 - 2012-09-24 00:11:25 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
having to defend 23/7 against giant alliances will help small alliances because

woulda thought that was self evident.

this topic is not for you.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-09-24 00:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Touval Lysander wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
having to defend 23/7 against giant alliances will help small alliances because

woulda thought that was self evident

Explain how the Southern Coalition flipping Providence in an afternoon during the Providence wars (or PL doing it to Providence in early 2012) would have been a great victory for small groups in 0.0.

Or

Get a wormhole guy in here to endorse the idea of making a small group (aka a wormhole corp) have to defend their POSs 23/7 thanks to the addition of something like wormhole stabilizers.