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Drone Boats are fininshed, thanks Fox Four

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1 - 2012-09-23 22:51:46 UTC
I just read the dev blog where Fox Four gloats about the upcoming AI ( and so begins the rush to sanitize the dev blog of Fox Four's gloating posts.), and how the AI in all belts and missions will attack drones now, just as they do in Sleeper and Incursion sites.

He naturally says " oh yeah, we have really tweaked down how much the AI will choose drones". Of course, for drone boat operators, ANY choice of drones is death. And BTW, since Soundwave's edict how he was just "halving" the profitability of datacores, when in fact it more like 80%, I don't believe anything a dev says, especially when Fox Four posts a picture of glee associated with high sec players getting hammered. (see Fox Four's dev blog)

I run a Speed tanked Ishtar in missions (orbiting Gardes or wrecks at 2500 m works), and I try to grab as much aggro as possible and then control the mission that way, while I am high-tailing from one wreck to another if they are in range.

Now, when the drones are attacked, game over baby. Constantly pulling Sentries in decimates your ISK / hour, and If your Heavies are any distance from your ship, there is zero chance they will get back to you before they are destroyed. Nothing like watching a webbed Ogre try to crawl back to your bay.

Ishtar, Rattlesnake, Vexor, Ishkur, forget it. They are done as viable PvE boats.

The null sec zealots who dreamed this latest attack on high sec must be doing cartwheels.
Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-09-23 22:56:07 UTC
If I'd known that such a simple change would cause such crying, I'd have pulled my secret Goon strings and made it happen years ago!
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#3 - 2012-09-23 22:57:11 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read the dev blog where Fox Four gloats about the upcoming AI ( and so begins the rush to sanitize the dev blog of Fox Four's gloating posts.), and how the AI in all belts and missions will attack drones now, just as they do in Sleeper and Incursion sites.

He naturally says " oh yeah, we have really tweaked down how much the AI will choose drones". Of course, for drone boat operators, ANY choice of drones is death. And BTW, since Soundwave's edict how he was just "halving" the profitability of datacores, when in fact it more like 80%, I don't believe anything a dev says, especially when Fox Four posts a picture of glee associated with high sec players getting hammered. (see Fox Four's dev blog)

I run a Speed tanked Ishtar in missions (orbiting Gardes or wrecks at 2500 m works), and I try to grab as much aggro as possible and then control the mission that way, while I am high-tailing from one wreck to another if they are in range.

Now, when the drones are attacked, game over baby. Constantly pulling Sentries in decimates your ISK / hour, and If your Heavies are any distance from your ship, there is zero chance they will get back to you before they are destroyed. Nothing like watching a webbed Ogre try to crawl back to your bay.

Ishtar, Rattlesnake, Vexor, Ishkur, forget it. They are done as viable PvE boats.

The null sec zealots who dreamed this latest attack on high sec must be doing cartwheels.

It won't have any impact on me at all, but only because the null rats already targeted my drones in Forsaken Hubs.

Oh wait you didn't want to hear that.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#4 - 2012-09-23 22:57:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Azorria
While it's clear you would rather easy-mode missions, most other people would not.

Also the old AI is so dumb it's funny. Lol

EDIT: Have you tried taking out targets in a logical order? ie. small to large, I hear once the frigates and cruisers are gone most drones don't have that hard a time speed tanking battleships, and for sentries you could just try webs + placing the damm things far enough away.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#5 - 2012-09-23 22:58:05 UTC
I think you mean "AFK-Droneboats" are a thing of the past.

That, is a good thing imo! Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
WilliamMays
Stuffs Inc.
#6 - 2012-09-23 22:59:17 UTC
maybe you should try running things on the test server and provide INFORMED feedback, such as "i did X, rats did Y, I think they should do Z or A"

nobody listens to rantings from people who just assume everything is impossible

the intel tool we deserve, the intel tool we need
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#7 - 2012-09-23 22:59:34 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read the dev blog where Fox Four gloats about the upcoming AI ( and so begins the rush to sanitize the dev blog of Fox Four's gloating posts.), and how the AI in all belts and missions will attack drones now, just as they do in Sleeper and Incursion sites.

He naturally says " oh yeah, we have really tweaked down how much the AI will choose drones". Of course, for drone boat operators, ANY choice of drones is death. And BTW, since Soundwave's edict how he was just "halving" the profitability of datacores, when in fact it more like 80%, I don't believe anything a dev says, especially when Fox Four posts a picture of glee associated with high sec players getting hammered. (see Fox Four's dev blog)

I run a Speed tanked Ishtar in missions (orbiting Gardes or wrecks at 2500 m works), and I try to grab as much aggro as possible and then control the mission that way, while I am high-tailing from one wreck to another if they are in range.

Now, when the drones are attacked, game over baby. Constantly pulling Sentries in decimates your ISK / hour, and If your Heavies are any distance from your ship, there is zero chance they will get back to you before they are destroyed. Nothing like watching a webbed Ogre try to crawl back to your bay.

Ishtar, Rattlesnake, Vexor, Ishkur, forget it. They are done as viable PvE boats.

The null sec zealots who dreamed this latest attack on high sec must be doing cartwheels.

It won't have any impact on me at all, but only because the null rats already targeted my drones in Forsaken Hubs.

Oh wait you didn't want to hear that.


Sorry chum...check my corp history. I ran in null with FCON, and did Havens, Sanctums and hubs, so know exactly how much of a lie it is you are spouting.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#8 - 2012-09-23 23:02:02 UTC
WilliamMays wrote:
maybe you should try running things on the test server and provide INFORMED feedback, such as "i did X, rats did Y, I think they should do Z or A"

nobody listens to rantings from people who just assume everything is impossible


Ah, having difficulty reading?

I repeat: ANY aggro choice on drones, no matter how much the dev says it has been lowered, is death to drone boats.
WilliamMays
Stuffs Inc.
#9 - 2012-09-23 23:02:27 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read the dev blog where Fox Four gloats about the upcoming AI ( and so begins the rush to sanitize the dev blog of Fox Four's gloating posts.), and how the AI in all belts and missions will attack drones now, just as they do in Sleeper and Incursion sites.

He naturally says " oh yeah, we have really tweaked down how much the AI will choose drones". Of course, for drone boat operators, ANY choice of drones is death. And BTW, since Soundwave's edict how he was just "halving" the profitability of datacores, when in fact it more like 80%, I don't believe anything a dev says, especially when Fox Four posts a picture of glee associated with high sec players getting hammered. (see Fox Four's dev blog)

I run a Speed tanked Ishtar in missions (orbiting Gardes or wrecks at 2500 m works), and I try to grab as much aggro as possible and then control the mission that way, while I am high-tailing from one wreck to another if they are in range.

Now, when the drones are attacked, game over baby. Constantly pulling Sentries in decimates your ISK / hour, and If your Heavies are any distance from your ship, there is zero chance they will get back to you before they are destroyed. Nothing like watching a webbed Ogre try to crawl back to your bay.

Ishtar, Rattlesnake, Vexor, Ishkur, forget it. They are done as viable PvE boats.

The null sec zealots who dreamed this latest attack on high sec must be doing cartwheels.

It won't have any impact on me at all, but only because the null rats already targeted my drones in Forsaken Hubs.

Oh wait you didn't want to hear that.


Sorry chum...check my corp history. I ran in null with FCON, and did Havens, Sanctums and hubs, so know exactly how much of a lie it is you are spouting.


there you go uninformed again; forsaken and even more so in hidden hubs, drones get chewed to peices. been that way since introduction

the intel tool we deserve, the intel tool we need
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#10 - 2012-09-23 23:04:19 UTC
WilliamMays wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read the dev blog where Fox Four gloats about the upcoming AI ( and so begins the rush to sanitize the dev blog of Fox Four's gloating posts.), and how the AI in all belts and missions will attack drones now, just as they do in Sleeper and Incursion sites.

He naturally says " oh yeah, we have really tweaked down how much the AI will choose drones". Of course, for drone boat operators, ANY choice of drones is death. And BTW, since Soundwave's edict how he was just "halving" the profitability of datacores, when in fact it more like 80%, I don't believe anything a dev says, especially when Fox Four posts a picture of glee associated with high sec players getting hammered. (see Fox Four's dev blog)

I run a Speed tanked Ishtar in missions (orbiting Gardes or wrecks at 2500 m works), and I try to grab as much aggro as possible and then control the mission that way, while I am high-tailing from one wreck to another if they are in range.

Now, when the drones are attacked, game over baby. Constantly pulling Sentries in decimates your ISK / hour, and If your Heavies are any distance from your ship, there is zero chance they will get back to you before they are destroyed. Nothing like watching a webbed Ogre try to crawl back to your bay.

Ishtar, Rattlesnake, Vexor, Ishkur, forget it. They are done as viable PvE boats.

The null sec zealots who dreamed this latest attack on high sec must be doing cartwheels.

It won't have any impact on me at all, but only because the null rats already targeted my drones in Forsaken Hubs.

Oh wait you didn't want to hear that.


Sorry chum...check my corp history. I ran in null with FCON, and did Havens, Sanctums and hubs, so know exactly how much of a lie it is you are spouting.


there you go uninformed again; forsaken and even more so in hidden hubs, drones get chewed to peices. been that way since introduction


My drones were NEVER, I repeat NEVER aggroed in hubs, and after the Sanctum nerf, I had to run a lot of hubs.
Rengerel en Distel
#11 - 2012-09-23 23:08:05 UTC
There's actually 2 dev threads about the AI changes. Ranting in GD doesn't do much.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#12 - 2012-09-23 23:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Azorria
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
WilliamMays wrote:
maybe you should try running things on the test server and provide INFORMED feedback, such as "i did X, rats did Y, I think they should do Z or A"

nobody listens to rantings from people who just assume everything is impossible


Ah, having difficulty reading?

I repeat: ANY aggro choice on drones, no matter how much the dev says it has been lowered, is death to drone boats.

The PVE space potatoes (and other drone boats - I just wanted to type 'space potato'...) used in wormholes want a word with you.

EDIT: Admittedly not the most common ship type, but they still get a respectable showing.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
WilliamMays
Stuffs Inc.
#13 - 2012-09-23 23:09:53 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
WilliamMays wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read the dev blog where Fox Four gloats about the upcoming AI ( and so begins the rush to sanitize the dev blog of Fox Four's gloating posts.), and how the AI in all belts and missions will attack drones now, just as they do in Sleeper and Incursion sites.

He naturally says " oh yeah, we have really tweaked down how much the AI will choose drones". Of course, for drone boat operators, ANY choice of drones is death. And BTW, since Soundwave's edict how he was just "halving" the profitability of datacores, when in fact it more like 80%, I don't believe anything a dev says, especially when Fox Four posts a picture of glee associated with high sec players getting hammered. (see Fox Four's dev blog)

I run a Speed tanked Ishtar in missions (orbiting Gardes or wrecks at 2500 m works), and I try to grab as much aggro as possible and then control the mission that way, while I am high-tailing from one wreck to another if they are in range.

Now, when the drones are attacked, game over baby. Constantly pulling Sentries in decimates your ISK / hour, and If your Heavies are any distance from your ship, there is zero chance they will get back to you before they are destroyed. Nothing like watching a webbed Ogre try to crawl back to your bay.

Ishtar, Rattlesnake, Vexor, Ishkur, forget it. They are done as viable PvE boats.

The null sec zealots who dreamed this latest attack on high sec must be doing cartwheels.

It won't have any impact on me at all, but only because the null rats already targeted my drones in Forsaken Hubs.

Oh wait you didn't want to hear that.


Sorry chum...check my corp history. I ran in null with FCON, and did Havens, Sanctums and hubs, so know exactly how much of a lie it is you are spouting.


there you go uninformed again; forsaken and even more so in hidden hubs, drones get chewed to peices. been that way since introduction


My drones were NEVER, I repeat NEVER aggroed in hubs, and after the Sanctum nerf, I had to run a lot of hubs.


u ran hidden and forsaken hubs (u know the other ones) in drone boats with no problem?

the intel tool we deserve, the intel tool we need
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#14 - 2012-09-23 23:10:15 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
WilliamMays wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read the dev blog where Fox Four gloats about the upcoming AI ( and so begins the rush to sanitize the dev blog of Fox Four's gloating posts.), and how the AI in all belts and missions will attack drones now, just as they do in Sleeper and Incursion sites.

He naturally says " oh yeah, we have really tweaked down how much the AI will choose drones". Of course, for drone boat operators, ANY choice of drones is death. And BTW, since Soundwave's edict how he was just "halving" the profitability of datacores, when in fact it more like 80%, I don't believe anything a dev says, especially when Fox Four posts a picture of glee associated with high sec players getting hammered. (see Fox Four's dev blog)

I run a Speed tanked Ishtar in missions (orbiting Gardes or wrecks at 2500 m works), and I try to grab as much aggro as possible and then control the mission that way, while I am high-tailing from one wreck to another if they are in range.

Now, when the drones are attacked, game over baby. Constantly pulling Sentries in decimates your ISK / hour, and If your Heavies are any distance from your ship, there is zero chance they will get back to you before they are destroyed. Nothing like watching a webbed Ogre try to crawl back to your bay.

Ishtar, Rattlesnake, Vexor, Ishkur, forget it. They are done as viable PvE boats.

The null sec zealots who dreamed this latest attack on high sec must be doing cartwheels.

It won't have any impact on me at all, but only because the null rats already targeted my drones in Forsaken Hubs.

Oh wait you didn't want to hear that.


Sorry chum...check my corp history. I ran in null with FCON, and did Havens, Sanctums and hubs, so know exactly how much of a lie it is you are spouting.


there you go uninformed again; forsaken and even more so in hidden hubs, drones get chewed to peices. been that way since introduction


My drones were NEVER, I repeat NEVER aggroed in hubs, and after the Sanctum nerf, I had to run a lot of hubs.

I fly a Dominix. I can tell you for a fact that the respawns target drones.

You can say I'm wrong, but then you'll probably look pretty bad.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Speaker for TheDead
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2012-09-23 23:11:42 UTC
People still think their opinion matters to CCP? I am shocked! Shocked Shocked I say! Shocked



"Inception date: [u]Expired[/u]."
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#16 - 2012-09-23 23:13:23 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
There's actually 2 dev threads about the AI changes. Ranting in GD doesn't do much.


Yeah, it does. It is better to get as many eyeballs as soon as possible on this travesty.
CCP's track record regarding altering new game mechanics once it is on Sisi is extremely well known.
CCP was SO responsive to the theadnaught about the UI before it hit TQ.

So yeah, ranting about here is a better arena.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-09-23 23:16:50 UTC
I'd better hurry up and sell my drone boats Shocked

Oh wait I don't have any Big smile

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-09-23 23:17:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I just read the dev blog where Fox Four gloats about the upcoming AI ( and so begins the rush to sanitize the dev blog of Fox Four's gloating posts.), and how the AI in all belts and missions will attack drones now, just as they do in Sleeper and Incursion sites.
This is false, according to the devblog we see that...

CCP FoxFour in the devblog wrote:
3. Q) Will NPC's kill my drones?
A) Yes, but they don't hate them nearly as much as sleepers. I ran 9 level 4 missions and lost 2 drones. It does mean you need to pay more attention though. We can adjust their hatred of drones though which is why we are asking for feedback when this hits a test server.


Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
There's actually 2 dev threads about the AI changes. Ranting in GD doesn't do much.
Yeah, it does. It is better to get as many eyeballs as soon as possible on this travesty.
Except when one outright lies about what a developer wrote, in which case shooting your fingers off in multiple threads might not be the best idea. Seriously dude, did you think nobody was going to actually read the devblog themselves and see the direct contradiction between your words and what was written, or are you just that stupid? Straight
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#19 - 2012-09-23 23:17:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Azorria
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
There's actually 2 dev threads about the AI changes. Ranting in GD doesn't do much.


Yeah, it does. It is better to get as many eyeballs as soon as possible on this travesty.
CCP's track record regarding altering new game mechanics once it is on Sisi is extremely well known.
CCP was SO responsive to the theadnaught about the UI before it hit TQ.

So yeah, ranting about here is a better arena.

It would help if you were right about what you're ranting about. Roll

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
Alara IonStorm
#20 - 2012-09-23 23:19:05 UTC
Recall Sentries, Relaunch Sentries.

Am I missing something here?
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