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Upcoming "balancing" overall repercussions.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#1 - 2012-09-23 20:51:00 UTC
There are many threads about the following 2 items, but not how they will interact with each other.

1. Nerf to heavy missiles.
2. Revamping of mission A.I.

Who runs wormholes? Drakes, Tengu's, and Nighthwaks are extremely popular In Wspace.

What gets made with Wspace loot? T3's.

Where do "hisec carebears" go when Hisec takes a hit? Wormholes.

The Incursion VG nerf was really nice to me as a WH dweller. A lot of people left Hisec and started running wornholes again. This left us with a lot of PvP targets in Wspace compared to last year.

But what are they going to do this time? There are a lot of mission runners that are not going to be able to deal with the A.I. buff. Combine that with 2 of the most popular mission running ships (Tengu and Drake) getting nerfed, and its easy to see that the mission running profession is going to take a hard hit. But moving into Wspace will be much less viable.

This in itself is not crippling to the game, however, a nerf to the preferred ships of many Wspace dwellers will be highly detrimental IMHO. There will be less demand for Nano ribbons as they are used in the construction of T3 ships, as there will be less Tengus being produced.

Less money in the economy, less T3's being produced, less PvP targets, less plex being bought.

I don't think that Eve is dying, or going to die from this, but my bet it is going to take a big hit. There were almost 50k people on today. I bet this next expansion is going to take us back down to the low 40's again.

I personally will still be able to do everything I do with no problem, but I can see Wspace as a ghost town again, much less people in Hisec, and inflation (especially on PLEX). I wonder if CCP considered this?

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#2 - 2012-09-23 20:58:21 UTC
So overpowered ships should remain overpowered because people are using them? kay
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-09-23 21:00:50 UTC
This is why I can fly everything Big smile

Except logistics because I refuse to ever fly a logistics ship

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#4 - 2012-09-23 21:04:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
I will be sure to let the wormhole community know that their entire operation is now in a bind because of the upcoming missile changes. Because that's all they use, of course.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

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Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#5 - 2012-09-23 21:04:52 UTC
ISD sarcasm best sarcasm
Speaker for TheDead
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2012-09-23 21:05:46 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
So overpowered ships should remain overpowered because people are using them? kay



How can anyone use "Overpowered" when discussing a drake? Oops

"Inception date: [u]Expired[/u]."
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-09-23 21:12:27 UTC
Speaker for TheDead wrote:
How can anyone use "Overpowered" when discussing a drake? Oops


Because it's popular.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-09-23 21:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Cipher Jones wrote:
There are a lot of mission runners that are not going to be able to deal with the A.I. buff. Combine that with 2 of the most popular mission running ships (Tengu and Drake) getting nerfed, and its easy to see that the mission running profession is going to take a hard hit.
As a mission runner currently specializing in Gallente tech I look forward to an AI buff that might help make mission grinding not so boring and completely support easy mode missile kiters getting a firm nerf to the bum.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#9 - 2012-09-23 21:14:49 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
I will be sure to let the wormhole community that their entire operation is now in a bind because of the upcoming missile changes. Because that's all they use, of course.


I'm glad that you realize there is no difference between "much less viable" and "entire community's operation is in a bind.

I was only hinting at it, hoping that someone really smart would pick up on it.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#10 - 2012-09-23 21:15:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
So overpowered ships should remain overpowered because people are using them? kay


They should be balanced properly is all. The DPS of the current drake is not OP, but the tank is.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#11 - 2012-09-23 21:18:29 UTC
Speaker for TheDead wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
So overpowered ships should remain overpowered because people are using them? kay



How can anyone use "Overpowered" when discussing a drake? Oops



The drake by itself is quite reasonable as is. If you put 200 or so in a fleet with 30 scimitars, some recons and dics and it becomes an instrument of destruction praying for war.

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#12 - 2012-09-23 21:26:22 UTC
I still don't see how an AI buff to NPCs is going to change anything drastically.

Ultimately, if you enter a mission with just 1 ship, the AI is going to have little or no effect on the overall mission difficulty. If you enter a mission with 1 BS and a couple Destroyers or Frigs, the tracking of the BS in the Mission is going to have little effect on the Frigs and Destroyers, even in a level 4, which leaves just the Frigs and Cruisers for them to worry about.

So the biggest change is going to be for Newbs getting dragged into level 4s by their Corp mates. Technically, (and I don't actually have an issue here), the Newbs aren't supposed to be there anyway. I did level 4s with friends in a Destroyer, (Thrasher), when I was Newb and thought it was fun, but knew I was about as effective as a wet paper bag.

I just ended up trying to DPS the Frigates webbing the BS for the most part, because it was the only thing I was even remotely useful for, and there were only two of them usually. Other than that, I AB'd around and sometimes pulled Aggro on the BS to keep them busy. Made things interesting anyway, but I usually still had to warp out before long because I caught the Cruisers and Frigs too.

That was back when all I could fly was a Destroyer; and not particularly well at that. These days I'd be popping the Frigs and even Cruisers without much difficulty I think. Long time ago anyway, but the general idea is, it's not that hard, and even with an AI buff the actual capabilities will remain largely the same.

T3 gets a nerf, they'll go back to Flying BS, like they did before they had T3. Shame if the Tech3 get tromped, but not so bad if the they see another more interesting role change. Kind of hope that is going to be the case, but we'll see when the Devs get a better idea of how they are going to make those changes.



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Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#13 - 2012-09-23 21:26:33 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
So overpowered ships should remain overpowered because people are using them? kay


They should be balanced properly is all. The DPS of the current drake is not OP, but the tank is.

Its DPS is overpowered for the range it operates at. Compared to all other non tier-3 BCs, it can do reasonable DPS at a far, far greater range than anything in its class. This nerf brings it into line with other long range non tier-3 BCs, the people complaining about it are just butthurt. It will still have the best tank in its class, it will still be the superior option for PvE out of non-tier 3 BCs, and the sky will not have fallen when this nerf is introduced.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#14 - 2012-09-23 21:31:18 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
I will be sure to let the wormhole community that their entire operation is now in a bind because of the upcoming missile changes. Because that's all they use, of course.

I will be sure to let the ISD community know that it's cool if they come in threads and use strawman arguments to troll OP's. Because that's all they do, of course.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#15 - 2012-09-23 21:31:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Arkon Olacar wrote:

...and the sky will not have fallen when this nerf is introduced.


I said that in the OP but you didnt +1? Shame. However subs will take a big hit due to multiple nerfs that affect the economy happening simultaneously.

Quote:
I still don't see how an AI buff to NPCs is going to change anything drastically.


Neither do I.

Its a compound problem. Toyota didn't suffer immensely from the recall/safety issue they had, but when coupled with the disaster in Japan they did.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Selinate
#16 - 2012-09-23 21:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Selinate
I used to run C3 sites in a legion.

You can do it too.

(Though CCP still needs to get around to fixing the legion when it uses lasers, cov ops, or neut subsystems).
Solhild
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-09-23 21:52:21 UTC
OP has a point. I say bring it on! I could do with a change Big smile
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#18 - 2012-09-23 22:06:11 UTC
Errr...I am missing something.

What AI buff?
Can someone provide a link?
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#19 - 2012-09-23 22:08:08 UTC
On another note my dreads and carriers are still running c5's laughing at the tengu nerf.

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Rengerel en Distel
#20 - 2012-09-23 22:10:09 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Errr...I am missing something.

What AI buff?
Can someone provide a link?


Dev blogs are oft-times useful reading.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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