Player Features and Ideas Discussion

lol, i made that point earlier, but i fear i was ignored due to threatening to make analogies between icecream and EVE ship design...

Tech 1 ships have 3 rig slots
Tech 2 ships have 2 rig slots

goes without saying
Tech 3 ships should only have 1 rig slot


kind of a compromise solution, though your basic idea was nice.

You are joking right?

The only reason Tech 3 ships have half the capability they do, is because most people fit them with Tech 2 rigs. I could see dropping it down to 2 though, like the Tech 2 ships.

The tengu is not killed...ffs...

After the missile change you'll be able to fit range and hit quality mods on your missile ship. HAMs will hopefully be useful, finally. Heavy missiles are indeed getting a (needed) damage nerf, but don't lose enough range to really matter (again, new mods!), and we get more velocity and usable T2 ammo as well to further deaden the blow.


As for the rigs...I actually agree with OP, though they could maybe add a mid/low slot depending on tank type and tweak some subsystems to compensate. The other change that would need to happen is modifying subs while in space...put the two together and you have a truly all-in-one ship for WH life, that is still a contender VS T2 counterparts.

I think you misunderstand how rigs are best used. That's cool, it's not my place to give away the best ideas for free.

No the price of tech3s is about as low as it can really go, it's fixed by the sub manufacture lottery -- it really hurts tech3 manufacturers on a bad day.

What may happen is that groups who used particular rigs for particular concepts will flood the market with resales and production will be inviable for a time.

such is the versatility of tech3s; all of them but the tengu have a sub that bonuses mwd usage somehow. I'm afraid the tengu can't quite do everything. You can make them far faster than most other cruisers, especially t2s, which tend to have higher mass and lower base speeds than their base t1 hulls.

However, with the exception of 100mn fits, speed is one area in which tech3s behave as they probably should: you can make them nippy if you so desire, but there's no way to exceed the speeds the hulls which are devoted to speed can reach. If you want to fly a vaga, the loki cannot match it -- you need a vaga.

heres my take on the t3 "menace".....

its the same issue as super cap/titan buildup. When put in game a wise CCP person said meh cost of ship will limit its use. At time of creation....kind of a good idea. But that was years ago. When isk a bit harder to make. Its 2012. A cheesy alt can farm pi in about an hour for that isk (it adds up over time, its not buy a t3 bling fit in one month but gets you that money much faster than not doing it). large portion of the player database got to run incursions for months on end pre nerf for some damn good isk earnings. back in 2009 carrier ratting not the in thing. today its cut and dry solo havens and sanctums. Etc, etc.


2009 you really had to like your pvp to t3 it. Pricey loss. So these from waht I saw were way less common. Today, if the skill, motivation, and some good business there, man, you got the biliion+ per month to lose these at least once per month no tears.


They aren't going away. major portion of the game is now tied up to feed the t3 habit. make t3 jsut meh against hacs...why fly the t3's. less people flying t3's....why live in a wormhole to farm mats for a now dying market when blitzing missions is potentially more consistent isk/hour. And there goes the wh part of the game. A few die hards will feed the ninjya ratters in 0.0 who like bubble nullify. About it.


And the killing of rigs, why? By design t3 is all about flexbile fitting. Makes t2 hacs unliked? Why not use that to argue less or no rigs for t1 while we are at it, as we could argue the abilities of certian BC's makes flying hacs less desireable as well. Go for easy: Cerb, naga and drake. Cerb has lots of range, but unless killing falcons its about useless for sustained daamge output at 100 km's. either drop to 50 kms (which till hml nerfed drake can do) or run Naga (and get instant hit for a bonus from 100+ kms).

i see a load of nonsense on this thread to be honest. It should just be deleted. Removing the rigs sounds like a non-imaginative idea as it is. These t3s are meant to be relatively OP, that's the whole point. They're not re-vamped t1 cruisers like some dimwit said. It's a more advanced ship technologically in all senses... Attempting to re-balance everything like people are thinking is the wrong mindset... Might as well never have introduced these ships to begin with then? Or just make all the ships the same in a steady increasing amount of armor, speed damage, etc... like a nice little ladder perhaps? It's a bunch of non-sense. Your vision lacks foresight and probably hindsight as well.

I don't think it's so much that they didn't want them living in wormholes, as they never expected them to. It's not like living in a wormhole is a purely fun experience; mostly, it's boring and incredibly solitary. Kind of like being the one man on a small space station I imagine.

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Tech 3 are intended to be better than regular ships, as they are advanced technology. Not to say they are meant to be over-powered, but there is little point to having them if they become rough-shod equivalents of Tech 1 ships in all respects. No tank, low DPS, limited scanning abilities, no drones, no rigs, etc..

I could see them losing 1 rig, and becoming like Tech 2 ships in that regard. I think you'd see a massive decrease in power just doing that. Having fit a number of them, I know how much difference that one Rig makes.