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CCP Endorses Scamming

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Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#41 - 2012-09-23 12:24:03 UTC
Agent Akari wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Agent Akari wrote:
But when you scam CCP with false creditcard of paypal retract payment, they ban you on first sight.

If you're serious then a lesson in the difference between real money and ISK would probably be lost anyway.


Obviously you need the lesson more then me, or do you think Plex drop in 0.0 npc deadspace?


A plex, once in game. Has no more real world value, as it can not be converted back to real world currency. And thus is an ingame item with only an ISK pricetag on it.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#42 - 2012-09-23 12:38:56 UTC
Scammers are just one of many types of players that add risk to the game. Without risk, reward has no value.

Would I hunt down and kill a scammer in-game if the opportunity presented itself? Most definitely, because in-game I would like to mete out punishment to those with less moral fibre than myself. Would I seek an out-of-game punishment (like an account ban), just because they choose to play the game differently to me? No.

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Suvari Khashour
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-09-23 12:42:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Not only is scamming fun in EVE but it also teraches the victim a great life lesson.


trouble is there are sooo many repeat offenders, i agree with the guy who said a fool and their money are easily parted too.. Scams are just something that happens in Eve, most are obvious, if slightly hillarious.. i mean, honestly these days, would you trust anyone advertising something on contract in Jita.. or any trade hub for that matter.. okay so scammers can be real jerks sometimes.. but their not doing anything illegal, just as holding someones pod for ransom in null sec is also not illegal.. these things happen in Eve, its a sandbox game, i think some people need to look up what that means. Pirate
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#44 - 2012-09-23 13:14:35 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Thats what I am talking about. The downward spiral of virtues, honor and social responsibility.

How can it be a DOWNWARDS spiral if it started off even worse than it is nowadays ?
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-09-23 13:22:44 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Its an incredibly favorable environment for scammers.

Whats your point?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Sun Win
#46 - 2012-09-23 14:19:09 UTC
Preeetty sure I'm posting in a stealth spam threat for ISK Taker.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-09-23 14:20:30 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:


One of EVE's mottos is Caveat Emptor. Scamming is and has always been legal because,
CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.



Quote:
For those who says its the scammed fault .
I got a little personal experience to share.
Kind of hard to differentiate when there are those who are genuinely kind of virtuous , auctioning researched BPO to newbies and lesser well off people. I got my Naga and Noctis BPO 50 mil below market price that way.
While there are those who put on the same disguise , but instead chose to go for the road of the scammers. Thats how I lost a few hundred mils off PLEX trades.
Without any indicators ,consequences and punishments, and with most of them being alts and trade toons which they'll destroy once a successful scam is done.
Its an incredibly favorable environment for scammers.


Read the contracts you buy, and double check any trade you make many times (better yet, don't do trades with people you know less well than your alts).

Scams only work on the Greedy. If you stop chasing the "Too Good To Be True" deals, you'll skip right past 99% of scams.



True , true.
But then again, how do you differtiate one with a golden heart and one who has you wallet on his cross hair.
That is trully the darkest part of the scamming business.
It doesn't just create a hostile environment for entrepreneurs , but may also cause grief and suffering among those who set off to do the world good, but ended up being branded by the world as a scammer, a sly fox , a crafty individual that will do EVERYTHING in his power to .."relief" you of your properties.

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Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-09-23 14:27:36 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Braxus Deninard wrote:
Oh look, this thread again. Scamming is perfectly legit. EvE is a sandbox game where you can do whatever the hell you want to make money, as long as it isn't RMT. If you fall for a scam, its your fault and your fault alone.


Thats what I am talking about.
The downward spiral of virtues, honor and social responsibility.

The point which the scammed are despised and look down upon as the scraps of the universe and the scammers are praised for their crafty tactics and their cunning.



Sorry to say, but this is an old argument, and scamming is seen as legit if it doesn't circum navigate the game mechanics, and bringing this complaint here is almost certainly gonna get you trolled.


Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk

Selinate
#49 - 2012-09-23 14:29:42 UTC
I think I hit my max level for internet once I noticed that the OP's post was in a strange, organized form, and started looking for a secret message in the first letter of every line....
Randomize All
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-09-23 14:58:57 UTC
The only real anomaly is the Margin Trading scam.

It's the only scam with in-built protection for the scammer to protect his identity. All the other scams require the use of alts to maintain anonymity of the scammer. So much for those consequences that eve's makers and players pretend to find so exciting.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#51 - 2012-09-23 15:25:06 UTC
Randomize All wrote:
The only real anomaly is the Margin Trading scam.

It's the only scam with in-built protection for the scammer to protect his identity. All the other scams require the use of alts to maintain anonymity of the scammer.
You know exactly who the scammer is in the margin trade scam: it's the guy who sold you the overpriced items (because that's where the scam is making money). If he wants to hide, he has to use an alt to do that one as well…
Senshi Hawk
Tritanium Industries and Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2012-09-23 15:31:47 UTC
It may or may not have been intended for scamming to become common ground in EVE, but regardless, it is what it is. And it's relatively unique for an MMO. I can't blame CCP for embracing it.
Matthew97
#53 - 2012-09-23 15:46:18 UTC
Welcome to EvE?
GD Poljus
#54 - 2012-09-23 15:52:37 UTC
TL;DR:

OP is mad about being scammed.

Makes stealth Nerf Scamming Thread.
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#55 - 2012-09-23 16:04:40 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


One of EVE's mottos is Caveat Emptor. Scamming is and has always been legal because,
CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.



Quote:
For those who says its the scammed fault .
I got a little personal experience to share.
Kind of hard to differentiate when there are those who are genuinely kind of virtuous , auctioning researched BPO to newbies and lesser well off people. I got my Naga and Noctis BPO 50 mil below market price that way.
While there are those who put on the same disguise , but instead chose to go for the road of the scammers. Thats how I lost a few hundred mils off PLEX trades.
Without any indicators ,consequences and punishments, and with most of them being alts and trade toons which they'll destroy once a successful scam is done.
Its an incredibly favorable environment for scammers.


Read the contracts you buy, and double check any trade you make many times (better yet, don't do trades with people you know less well than your alts).

Scams only work on the Greedy. If you stop chasing the "Too Good To Be True" deals, you'll skip right past 99% of scams.



True , true.
But then again, how do you differtiate one with a golden heart and one who has you wallet on his cross hair.
That is trully the darkest part of the scamming business.
It doesn't just create a hostile environment for entrepreneurs , but may also cause grief and suffering among those who set off to do the world good, but ended up being branded by the world as a scammer, a sly fox , a crafty individual that will do EVERYTHING in his power to .."relief" you of your properties.


Through learning how to evaluate other people and assigning different levels of trust to different people based on whether they've earned it, maybe? Even in real life people aren't conveniently divided into "People with Golden Hearts" and "People out to Get You". If you look at the world with this black and white perspective you have a lot more to learn, to be honest.

In fact, if you look at the game as part learning opportunity you would actually be glad to learn more about people in an environment that gives free reign for the best and worst of humanity to manifest, in a virtual universe where no one actually gets hurt. And no, fragile egos don't count.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-09-23 16:08:21 UTC
Sevastian Liao wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


One of EVE's mottos is Caveat Emptor. Scamming is and has always been legal because,
CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.



Quote:
For those who says its the scammed fault .
I got a little personal experience to share.
Kind of hard to differentiate when there are those who are genuinely kind of virtuous , auctioning researched BPO to newbies and lesser well off people. I got my Naga and Noctis BPO 50 mil below market price that way.
While there are those who put on the same disguise , but instead chose to go for the road of the scammers. Thats how I lost a few hundred mils off PLEX trades.
Without any indicators ,consequences and punishments, and with most of them being alts and trade toons which they'll destroy once a successful scam is done.
Its an incredibly favorable environment for scammers.


Read the contracts you buy, and double check any trade you make many times (better yet, don't do trades with people you know less well than your alts).

Scams only work on the Greedy. If you stop chasing the "Too Good To Be True" deals, you'll skip right past 99% of scams.



True , true.
But then again, how do you differtiate one with a golden heart and one who has you wallet on his cross hair.
That is trully the darkest part of the scamming business.
It doesn't just create a hostile environment for entrepreneurs , but may also cause grief and suffering among those who set off to do the world good, but ended up being branded by the world as a scammer, a sly fox , a crafty individual that will do EVERYTHING in his power to .."relief" you of your properties.


Through learning how to evaluate other people and assigning different levels of trust to different people based on whether they've earned it, maybe? Even in real life people aren't conveniently divided into "People with Golden Hearts" and "People out to Get You". If you look at the world with this black and white perspective you have a lot more to learn, to be honest.

In fact, if you look at the game as part learning opportunity you would actually be glad to learn more about people in an environment that gives free reign for the best and worst of humanity to manifest, in a virtual universe where no one actually gets hurt. And no, fragile egos don't count.


I guess so , but then again, who would expect so many people are willing to trade honor for some imaginary digits

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#57 - 2012-09-23 16:10:31 UTC
Rats wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Braxus Deninard wrote:
Oh look, this thread again. Scamming is perfectly legit. EvE is a sandbox game where you can do whatever the hell you want to make money, as long as it isn't RMT. If you fall for a scam, its your fault and your fault alone.


Thats what I am talking about.
The downward spiral of virtues, honor and social responsibility.

The point which the scammed are despised and look down upon as the scraps of the universe and the scammers are praised for their crafty tactics and their cunning.



Sorry to say, but this is an old argument, and scamming is seen as legit if it doesn't circum navigate the game mechanics, and bringing this complaint here is almost certainly gonna get you trolled.


Tal




Indeed.

If the OP feels that game is in a moral downward spiral, it is his responsibility to do something about it... not sit there and expect CCP to remove the potential for it to exist.

Yes, it can be done. You need look no further than Chribba to see a player that has become just as famous for his honesty as other players who have become well know for their dishonesty.

Stop passing the buck. If you seek to change what you perceive as a bad trend, do something about it. Set an example, and put your money where your mouth is.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#58 - 2012-09-23 16:49:23 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
I guess so , but then again, who would expect so many people are willing to trade honor for some imaginary digits
The problem is that you believe honour is a factor.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#59 - 2012-09-23 16:55:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Honour is a tool created by the treacherous to control the weak.

On further consideration, perhaps they use it to control the strong.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#60 - 2012-09-23 18:05:14 UTC
Esteban Dragonovic wrote:
1. HTFU
2. If you want someone to hold your hand through the whole game go back to WoW.
3. The way scams are done in eve are completely preventable, and those who do not take precausions deserve their fate.
4. Thus, if you are scammed, you're an idiot and deserve to lose your crap.


If you post about a game that has several million more subscribers than the game you play in a negative light you're also an idiot.

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are serious business sir.

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