Crime & Punishment

It's very much dependant on situation, but i'd be interested to hear which loss you are referring to. We give people leeway if they understand what they did wrong and know not to do it again.

The SOP is effectively the written down experience that someone gains from playing EVE for a few months in a hostile environment (be it losec, null or even hisec suicide ganks). It's things like "don't fly what you can't afford to lose", "don't autopilot around", "have your overview set properly", and things like avoiding massively pimping a cheap frigate hull because you have a ton of ISK and simply don't want to train engineering to V.

It's common sense to someone who has been playing a while, but quite often not the case for someone new to EVE.

Edit: I forgot to add - thanks for taking time to read the SOP. If you have any comments/suggestions, feel free to EVEmail me with them.

1-4:Low sec, at least most areas, are like communities. The entities know each other and what to expect from each other, they play with each other and often they restrain from blobbing to not spoil the fun. This isn't a rule, its just what they choose to do.
If another entity now decides to move to the area and crash the party, then yes, you can expect an answer from the community. Which is what happened.
We didn't forbid eve uni to move to lowsec, its just their behaviour there, that made us so hostile.
5. You can write as much as you want, i linked the other thread and people can make up their own mind. Im not trying to justify myself. This is eve, i dont even care. I disagree on the lacking skill part though.
6. This just in: Putting t2 fits on ships is unfair. Its funny that you mention the noobpart though, because we, Team Liquid, also accept noobs with 0 sp. This makes for some hilarious lossmails such as
http://killfeed.eveuniversity.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=45638

Ferocious I can't understand YOUR reasoning sometimes.....you basically started this thread to rally support for EVE Uni against the "evil griefer l33t PvPers" but instead you've simply made the public realise how pathetic both they are, and you. So the best solution to the problem is usually the easiest one - wardec us and support the guys you're trying to get public opinion for and then you can lead your little rally from the front, instead of just appearing to be an anrgy carebear who's stared at an asteroid for too long.......

Oh also Kelduum I feel I should mention this so you can inform your members in a more specific fashion:



Can you please inform your members that they shouldn't be posting on the forums? That's the 4th one I've seen who you guys have forced to remove their smart-mouth comments. Seriously....choose a forum warrior to represent IVY League and be done with it, or I can double team and represent you guys? I dunno - might be good for a laugh <3

I guess you could guess it by yourself, but that guy doesnt want to hear anything about EVEuni anymore.

You did a good job not answering the question btw.
The only thing I found about him is that : http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Edward_kurvora#Who_runs_the_LSC.3F
I would think that "running the LSC" is indeed a director (or whatever the name in your hierarchy) and, when all your pilots are told to fly cheap ships "that don't attract any wardec for our pimp loot", a (very) few can do whatever they want.

There is no doubt that Ferocious is supportive to new players. Respectfully, our opinions are different, but I think we share the same goals: We both want to help new players quickly integrate into this game. Where we differ is in how this new player base should be developed and trained.

I believe new players stand a better chance in small corporations with a few experienced members to guide them. When new players join large alliances/corporations, they might as well stay in the NPC corp. It’s like being in a classroom of 60 people vice getting one-on-one guidance. Small gangs operations, being a contributing member of a group, holding leadership positions, and developing lasting personal relationships are some of the key components that I suspect would help to increase retention.

We are not trying to troll or grief new players into quitting. I agree, that would be short-sighted. On the contrary, we routinely help new players. Generally, we offer isk and advice to new players after losing their ships. However, Eve-Uni’s policy of zero communication with the enemy, isolates new players from seeing PVP in a positive light. They never get the opportunity to say, “oh yeah, these guys [U-MAD] are pretty cool. Thanks for the isk!”

Our Wardec with Eve-Uni is not for griefing purposes. Wardec’ing is just part of the game. If the retention of new players is important to you, as I’m sure it is, then let’s open up a new topic thread to discuss ways we can help new players within the first few days of joining our online community.

Please accept this game for what it is - a great PVP based spaceship game. I see this game actually improving over time, and I’m sure that our efforts to improve retention of new players will pay off in the long run.
However, I just don’t see Eve-Uni as the sole solution or dictator of how new players should be trained.

PS, I left some misspelled words and grammar errors for you to find – Now that’s a troll!

Now, this is where it becomes quite interesting...
They do increase player retention, they keep players in the game, and they definitely do increase "conversion rates" where trials become full accounts, not to mention alt accounts.

What you seem to be getting at here is that player "involvement" is important. Things like one-on-one tuition, financial and social support, making friends in the corp via mutual interests, and integrating that solo "new player" into the corporation, and from there the rest of the EVE community.

And heres the thing... EVE University does all of this.

• We have the one-to-one mentoring from experienced players, which we track and seek feedback on.
• We provide reimbursement for skillbooks to all members, as well as hangars with ships, modules and so on.
• We have open mining ops where new players can join in and chat while they make some ISK.
• We have "Locust Fleets", where a few new players get together with someone more experienced and run a L4 mission with them.
• We have open fleets, where anyone can FC - E-UNI is the only corp I know that will welcome a brand new player leading a fleet, and we have see some excellent FCs come from this.
• We also have those larger fleets, where an experienced FC takes anyone they can find and kills something big. Being one of the new players tackling a carrier in something like that is something we repeatedly hear as very exciting.
• We have forums and chat channels on pretty much every subject, and an open Mumble server. These are all moderated to keep language and tone friendly, as to not "scare away" those new players and let them ask "silly questions" without fear of being attacked.

... and that's not even scratching the surface.

I've personally spent quite a bit of time putting systems together to identify and track new players progress, and things like our hangar access and titles are actually built to funnel those new players into developing relationships with each other.

I conducted a quick poll on this subject, asking the ~220 members online to contact me if this had happened to them (advice, information or even ISK from a U-MAD member) and had two responses which boiled down to U-MAD members suggesting the person join another corp.

In actual fact, members have had significantly more fleet invites and convos attempting to troll them, not to mention the e-peen waving in local, than evemails or anything else. Certainly none of this after any combat.

EVEmail would work, and ISK can be sent to someone if they want it or not (and most new players would certainly notice ISK suddenly appearing), so at least in E-UNI's case, I can't see abny evidence of this positive feedback happening.

This leaves the question: If the purpose is not an attempt to grief new players, despite your stated dislike if large groups, then what is the purpose? The war doesn't damage the corporation, and it certainly doesn't damage our recruitment as the member numbers show, but it does hamper the "community building" activities in-game.

In all respect, I'm not seeing what your efforts actually are, beyond the (so far unconfirmed) claims you offer assistance afer killing someone.

You seem to dislike large 'impersonal' corporations, (and I entirely agree - they wouldn't help retention of new players), but you apparently haven't put together that if E-UNI was impersonal, we wouldn't have anywhere near the number of people in the corp that we do, or those who wish to defend it so strongly.

And again, neither do I.

However, when a new player doesn't already know anyone who can/will train them in the game, very few small corporations are going to risk time and resources on someone who could simply be there just to steal all their stuff and/or awox like crazy.

For a new player, if they don't already know someone from elsewhere, their options are limited to either a "we train new players" corp that simply wants their income from taxes, or someone like EVE University, Red vs Blue, (or if they already a member of their respective communities) Dreddit or the Goons.

The trust issue is something that is still being discussed between the CSM and CCP, but there is no simple solution which doesn't break something else. Trust is an incredibly valuable commodity in EVE, and its something which is required to let someone into any serious corp, but brand new players don't have this.

I for one support and/or endorse this entire endeavor.

....over a game guys.... a game of pixles. if you guys dont understand the joys of trolling, ill break it down for you.

we find it funny when a person crys over a game.....on the interweb... its like playing the game UNO, and one of your friends keeps using the wild card and calling colors you dont have. Now you could shoot him in the leg and then make a forum about how evil and horrible, or you can smile and giggle and realise that your PLAYING A GAME.

like srssly? If your letting a game anger you at all, you need to stop, and turn off the comp.


Fox you should take some lessons from the Eve UNI ceo, when he talks here it sounds like he gives 0 ***** about this, as he should. You wana know why he sounds like that? its cuz he knows that THIS IS A GAME, and that yelling at a troll is like yelling at a wet carrot..

PS. you post asking for people to help eve uni and then you dont even dec us? lol? and your excuse is "well im so great i dont need to?" lmao? r u like 6? you must be cuz a grow person wouldnt be this angry over a spaceship game

LOL "Know when to hold em... Know when to fold em...."

You just said EVERYTHING Fear has been telling your corp for 18 pages... and yet they all tried to lie about it...

and you just played ALL the cards lol... Bravo... LOL.

Typing this listening to the song Fear linked, makes this writing this post impossible to do with a straight face