Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Probally when they redo battleships they will get looked at

Hmm true that, however dosnt still changes the fact that torpedos have the same range and speed than HAMs despite being of a complete different ship class.

That's my point precisely, Torps having higher damage is not exactly usefull when you hit at the same range for better aplication with HAMS on smaller and cheaper ships.

I would really appreciate torpedos to be changed something like this:

Slightly reduced damage
Increased range
Increased explosion velocity
Decreased explosion radius

This will make them more usefull as now they hit for full dmg only on structures or MWD'ing shield tanked BS's.
Applied damage on common targets should be better.

do large blasters have the same range than medium blasters? :) nope they dont, they have quite longer range than medium blasters.

Haha... yeah, with no tank fitted, you probably can hit at 50km for 50% of your long range ammo damage. Just like a Raven with javelin torps can hit out to 45km before rigs and tracking computers/enhancers (which will affect missiles this winter).

Edit: Just in case you don't believe me:

[Raven, Torps have range!]
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

X-Large Shield Booster II
'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Javelin Torpedo
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[empty high slot]

Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Large Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Large Ancillary Current Router I


Hammerhead II x5

880 dps with 60km range.



Do HAMs have the same range than medium blasters? No, medium blasters have even lower range. basically you are saying that HAMs have too much range.

I think the problem with (caldari) torpedo boats is that they are too slow to cope with their range.

I would encourage you to read about the tech 2 ammo changes as well as the TE/TC buff. I don't think its reasonable to see torps and cruises rebalanced until battleships get looked at, but even so, the very nature of having TEs effect missiles means that torps will both go longer and hit small targets better. Personally I am quite excited to see how a navy scorp will do with a couple tracking enhancers.

While cruise suck, it's the entire platform.
Aurora, Spike and Tremor all suck as well.

You seems to forget that a 40km target, you will have :

- Defender missiles, a plague especially on Golem with 4 launchers
- Overspeed Battleship, which can be compensated by TP bonuses (50% sig/module) . With TE introduction, TP will die, so probably no real advantage.
- On cruisers and less : PLEASE ! tell me how the H*** you do with your mighty TE to hit a cruiser @ 190m/s and 130m sig radius. Explo radius on T2 Rage torp is 650m. T2 Fury Cruise = 320m with Rigs T2/implants 5%. I don't mention explo velocity which is worse..
- Delayed damage. You hit your button, awaits 3 secs, the missile effectively launchs, travels, and hit.
if you use grouped weapons, each target destroyed will usually waste 2 cycles.

Malus are simply stacking for cruise and torps.
Giving DMG bonuse on theses are fun, but pretty useless.

IRL :
Cruise = long range big slow missile, deadly and precise on stationary targets
Torp = very slow, semi-guided active sonar short dumb weapon with a diminished area of effect.

In Game :
it's quite well applied by definition. But in eve, everything moves faster than a F-15 or a Los-Angeles.

Anyway, i've just trained Gallente and Minie BS and guns. Caldari and missiles smells the end.
it's sad, but i support the Devs. Nerfing all round is better than Buffing evverything.
I've understood that with Blizz.

Never said that. I meant using blasters and expecting 60km range is. (same for torps actually, but that's about to change)