Ships & Modules

I'm just saying, seriously, if TD's are going to affect every single damn weapon system in game won't any and all small gangs be fitting them on at least 25% on their ships? It will be just like ECM is today in solo PVP, just worse as it's not chance based.

Stockpile some snacks and just keep them pinned down with a scrambler and ECM until they die of hunger.

The vast majority of posters on these forums are HML abusers. I for one am glad to see this nerf. I've been waiting for it for 5 years.

Is there a dev blog or post about TD's? Linky please.

I predict standard fits whenever it is possible to be Neuts / Nos + TD's. /sadpanda

Ya, because everybody uses missiles in pvp.



its all the same

SInce Zarnak already mentioned the emerging Caldari frig over-use of TDs to screw turret boats, and I agree with that observation, but I'm too lazy to type something new atm I'm going to copy and paste something I posted in another thread and hope it makes sense here:

"TDs are being fit to many of the rebalanced and buffed frigs atm. Hookbills, Condors, and Merlins having a field day killing turret frigs and destroyers in fw plexes.

And no, I don't want TDs buffed. I do want them to affect missiles. That is so amarr has an ewar that is universally effective at some level just like every other race has one.

But in fact I want TD base strength nerfed. That does two things. It avoids the TD as mandatory I-win like the old multispec ecm modules used to be. It also makes amarr ewar boats almost as desirable in gangs and maybe even fleets as ecm boats are currently. In fact I want the base strength on painters and damps nerfed as well. Then we can have maybe 15-30% per level bonuses on the ships that are bonused for those modules just like we have for ecm boats. That design got rid of the unbonused ewar I-win module and kept the ewar boats themselves desirable for ecm. It can do the same for the other ewar boats. And that would be good for the game as a whole.

If the base turret and missile disrupting effects on the modules is made weak then missile users have less to worry. It helps fix an emerging imbalance. And it makes more than just the Caldari ewar boats desirable. Win for everyone tbh.

edit - and while I'm talking ewar I think the ecm jam duration needs to be less than the cycle time on the module (we can argue numbers on that) and the non-ecm ewar modules need to have shorter optimals and longer fall-off ranges so as to provide them with a chance based mechanic (ecm retaining long optimal and the chance based mechanic). Either that or ecm could lose the chance based mechanic but also lose the duration on the jam and maybe only break a lock. In total whatever set of ewar changes are made they could ironically lead to ecm boats losing their automatic status as primary, which ecm pilots might in fact enjoy "

Give them the ECM treatment; decrease module power + increase hull bonuses. Will make the TD boats feared like ECM boats of old but I'd rather play a game where 2-3 ships are primaried when they appear than a game where every fight becomes a base contest of who has the most mids to **** the opposition up.

But even if TD changes go through with no further tweaks, eWar is being looked at so one can hope that TD Spam Online will only last until the summer expansion.

There is another big difference (to use your argumentation): Stacking. Hit a single target with 3-4 weak-as-water TDs and he might get wet but depending on change he may merely be damp.
As for the vaunted yet rarely (will be even more so when links are brought to heel) seen 'fighting outnumbered', they should not in my opinion exist for the most part. Unless one has a distinct technological/tonnage advantage (or fight dirty) one will and should lose to sheer numbers, since all are roughly on par tech wise the only reason the phenomenon even exist is due to borderline mods/ships (OffG link's, T3's, Tier3's etc.).

If TD's are made so weak that unbonused after stacking (3-4) amount to a single bonused TD then I am happy. The numerous enemy can of course spread the love but not only does not require seldom seen coordination but it also means he has sacrificed an entire ships worth of mids to 'counter' each target .. seems pretty fair to me.

But again, until I (we) know more about what the plans are for eWar in general any speculation is just that.

Only if you're opponents brought them. Thats the big difference here, TDs used to have the downside that you might meet an opponent they would be completely useless against hence they were situational and not complementary in gangs. Trying to fight 1v3 with 3-5 TDs on you in a gunboat is a lost cause.

The way I see it at least the question in gangs will start to become "Who brings tackle, who brings web, who brings TD?". Because one way or the other having it will always be useful.