Player Features and Ideas Discussion

* Users will _not_ have an arbitrary previously opened inventory window open instead of the container they tried to open if they the desired location is or becomes invalid.


Specific examples where this is annoying:

1) You are 10k from a wreck - you click the "open can" button and turn on MWD. Your ship motors over to the can, and just as you get within 500m the command to open the can finally fires. But oops, when it reaches the server you've overshot and you are now > 2500m and out of range. What opens instead? Your ship's cargohold. Why?

2) You are attempting to hack a radar site can. You click "open container" button before it has been hacked. What opens instead? Your ship's carghold. Why?

3) You are looting multiple wrecks. You have opened one wreck but not emptied the contents, and moved on to another wreck. Situation 1 from above occurs and you overshoot. What window opens this time? The wreck you looked at but did not completely empty.


tl;dr: If you can't open the window I asked for, just show the error message - don't open the wrong window too.

You put it much better than i could. I made it short for the sake of readers pleasure.


Now from what i hear, CCP isn't listening to the good points of their pilots base.

Best of luck to them.

Hi could you clarify some of these points.

1. If you select open cargo and turn on your MWD, the ship will come to a halt at the wreck. It will not overshoot unless you are manually flying and as soon as you try to open the wreck, via in space or overview menu, the ship will fly back and park by the wreck.

2. This one I managed to get. We have a defect for this now. Thanks!

3. Again can you please clarify how to overshoot a container when attempting to access it out of range, be as detailed as possible you can never provide enough detail.

It´s possible that fixing problem number 2 however will resolve the other issues. Thanks!

All these things are nice, but there's still one change I'd like to see:

An option in the Esc-button menu to always open new windows for newly opened containers/holds/hangars. (Mimicking the old UI.)

Hehe, have you tried this yourself? 10km from a wreck in a mwd frig. You overshoot with 5-10 km by hitting "open wreck" with mwd on.

Alas, I don't have the time right at the moment to dig through this and give you feedback, although I promise to get back and do so soon. I hope this thread doesn't grow as long as the originals by that point! :)

But let me point out a meta-point here.

You guys dropped the ball again on communication. It's great that you are picking it up again, and it's great that you've been discussing things with the CSM. (Keep in mind, though, that while this is part of the CSM's job, they're not an accurate cross-section of players).

But it really wasn't necessary to drop the ball in the first place.

You said you were going to iterate until you get it right.

The you push out a bunch of other stuff -- even DUST work -- with nary even a tweak in sight.

You could have said, "Hey, guys, this is going to take some focused effort. We're going to go off and dive into it with the CSM and target the Winter Release, rather than change things out from under you-all left and right".

You could have checked in when all the other teams got to push out shiny new ship models and stuff, and said "Hey guys, we're still here, hard at work.". Maybe even asked a question or two.

If you guys really worked on your communications, you wouldn't have to fly around with your Damage Control on overheat all the time.

Anyway, it IS good to see you guys back in communication again.

I'd love to see auditing on SMAs and CHAs. But please, not the way it works now with lock/unlock!

Just plain, ordinary, auditing.

Oh, and give me API access to the audit log! Oh, right, I need API access to the SMA and CHA in the first place!

As for hiding things -- I don't find your specific issue to be so important (the count/price estimation). I find that vaguely amusing/semi-encouraging, and the screen space it consumes to not be so critical. YMMV; I'm not dismissing your concern for anyone but myself.

But it leads me to another idea: Why not make filters apply not just to the items, but to the containers? That is, we should be able to filter out entire containers!

I usually don't need to see what ammo is loaded into my POS guns. And when I do -- I don't want to have to scroll through all the industrial stuff to find them!

And if I'm *looking* for ammo in station, I don't really want to see those 100 unit stacks in my loot container. I'd like my Large Ammo filter to select just my local ammo locker, and just my Large Hybrid ammo therein.

Another filter would tell me which ammo lockers in which stations AND CMAs I have that ammo available. This *is* supposed to be a unified inventory system, no?

(I like your last idea -- simple and sweet!)

As for unifying it with the assets window -- you're thinking about it the wrong way. The current Assets window is practically unusable when you have lots of stuff. I *hate* when I open a station by mistake, then wait, wait, wait, and then have to scroll, scroll, scroll....

The way your case should work is:

Open TWO inventory windows.

Find the stuff you want to drag from efficiently, using filters, trees, search -- more power than is available to you now with the Assets window.

Find where you want to drop it, in the other. Filter for containers! Ideally, you'd get a flat list of potential drop targets -- not a hierarchy you have to expand. Filter it down to containers you actually have access to.

Drag and drop.

The reason we want this integrated with Assets is -- it is the Assets window that was broken, NOT so much containers!

And it's still broken, not improved (nor damaged) at all. But it does two things that the Inventory windows do not:

1) It shows you assets outside your current reach. Or some of them, anyway...
2) You can use it as a navigational aid, as, when the stations are all closed, it becomes a list of stations where you have assets.

Both of these would be far more valuable if they were augmented with the filter system. So I could open an Assets window, configured just to show me stations and POSes where I have drones on hand. Or Nocxium. Sorted by distance. *limited* by distance -- I really don't need to see I have Drones 30 jumps away -- but "current region" is useless, showing me stuff 30 jumps away, and hiding stuff right next door.

You can do this already.


On the TOP LEFT of your inventory window there is a triple horizontal line symbol. Click on that there is a checkbox that says "Always open in separate window".

I tried to make clear the distinction between NO access, and put-only access. Agreed, the OP probably intended to say only put access, but that's not what he said, and I was pointing out the distinction.

As for TWO inventory windows -- you didn't read the original very carefully, I think. The OP there was wanting to have TWO windows, of two different types -- the current (broken) Inventory window, and the current (even more broken) Assets window. He said he didn't want them unified, because he wanted to drag-and-drop between them.

The point is, he can have TWO inventory windows and do the same thing -- better.

So my point was -- the OP wants TWO windows, then that's the number he should have. And that much, at least, already works.

I did, however, fail to ask the important question: Why does he now drag from the Assets window, rather than another inventory window? What makes that a convenient alternative for him presently? I find that window to be a royal pain if I want to actually find anything other than by search -- and that works fine in Inventory windows.

Is it simply because he has a separate button to open a second window? (A separate shortcut, or the shift key...). Or is there some other aspect of that window he finds useful?

To me, the only advantage is that it extends beyond my current reach. Otherwise, it's a big FAIL, and even the current Broken Inventory System is an improvement.