EVE General Discussion

The ore thieving career died years ago when they got pushed out by can flippers.
Can flippers aren't affected by the mining barge changes since their targets usually don't have the sp to fly a barge.
There is no problem.

I could not even begin to tell you how many people I used to can flip in retrievers and covetors and hulks...even orcas..

A miner has a very serious risk of falling asleep between cycles and breaking his nose on the keyboard.

But really, since when was being can-flipped/stolen a risk unless you were an idiot?

Some of you guys might be surprised at the amount of instant ore you could get your hands on when flying around as a two man gang in a covert ops and an occator.

Granted, the occasional "conversations", threats, and pointless ship kills were always fun, with the amount of jetcans that used to be out all the time (especially in grav sites), man, it was just mountains of free ore. Hell, we even stopped fitting guns after a while because spending the time to kill them meant a possible missed opportunity in the next system.

Was fun while it lasted.

Misread as Ore Thief Carrier
lolz ensues

You are obsessed with Miners and their risks. Miners have now been brought into line with everyone else, but Haulers. Miners now have realistic choices. I am happy at the direction CCP have taken with this. The only thing I disagree with, is Skiff and Mack Hulls should not have recieved the time bonus on turrets.

Miners still have far greater risk than, Gankers and Canflippers. You wont be seeing Macks Ganking Gankers too often, now would you. I suspect also, that Macks canflipping Canflippers to be rare indeed.

So tell me please. Why shouldn't Miners have the same amount of risk, that Canflippers and Gankers have. Why shouldn't Miners have the same amount of risk, mission runners take?

Basically they are changing things to catter carebear friendly theme park mindset players.

I'm sorry, what significant risks do miners face? Industrialized Suicide Ganking was the only thing that made a dent in HS mining (indicating that, for once, the risk of suicide ganking was significant), but that's no longer possible. Miners currently face at most a negligible risk of loss to suicide gank (Risk = Cost*Probability), no risk of loss to can flipping, no risk of loss to AWOXing, and no risk of disruption through Wardecs.

Gankers lose their ship (Again, Risk = Cost*Probability), so they Risk ~20m per gank (more than that now) to gain the loot and salvage from the gankee, which is worth about 25m. So assuming nobody ever scoops or blows the wreck (trivially done if the miner's atk), they make significantly less money than miners while risking more.

Canflippers risk being shot at by the Miners and their friends. Last time I went can flipping, I got shot at by a fairly significant percentage of the people I interacted with, so that's not insignificant.

I'd love it if Miners had to run the same level of risk that Gankers, Can-Flippers, and Missioners run. Gankers lose 20+m every time they go out, and hope to gain maybe 25m, if Miners ran the same risk, they've be losing their ships once ever ~50 jetcans worth of ore (so ~50hrs of mining). Can flippers can be shot at by anyone in the corp they steal from, so let people join an "asteroid" corp and shoot miners who steal from asteroids*. Missioners can have their mission disrupted by theft, so why can't miners have their mining disrupted**?

*NB, not a serious suggestion.
**Before you say Hulks Jetcan; no they don't. Hulks are used with hauler support, so they use secured (almost ship-like... wait) jetcans.

So, what significant risks do miners face in HS?

Are you serious? I think you actually are.

A ganker chooses (this is quite significant here BTW). Chooses to lose his ship. A ship is part of the cost of ganking. Like ammo and crystals are for missions and Mining. A canflipper choose to Flip ( again, quite a significant part of can flipping) Thereby he CHOSE to be a target to all corp members of his target.

These arguements you give are invalidated, because of the choice they made. Like Mining pre patch. Tank or die. Choice. If a Canflipper flips a can, with 100 corp members in sytem or close by. Sucks to be him. If a Ganker ganks beyond his means sucks to be him.

A Miner has more risk than Gankers or jet canners still.

I'll treat you to a gank/canflip guide.

Travel further abroad than a trade hub. Go at least 6 jumps away. Yes believe it or not, there are system beyond 6 jumps from a trade hub.

When entering a system Travel to each planet and Dscan. Grav Sites are easy pickings, and All sites spawn within 4au from any planet.

Scan down system if grav site is suspected.

rinse and repeat until jet canner/or gank victim is spotted.

Isn't this the kind of thing you were recommending miners pre patch?. Sucks to be you, crying, because you have to now do what you preached.

Im not interested in ganking, im interested in stealing ore, and that is hard to do when no one is jetcan mining anymore.

PS: i couldn't care less about cheap stuff, in 3 year of EvE i probably only made 400m isk, and is more then enough for some frigates and haulers.