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Sentry Drones

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HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-09-22 02:06:58 UTC  |  Edited by: HELLBOUNDMAN
Some edits have been added

Sentry drones are fine and all, however, I would like them to have mobility.

Now, not in the manner you would think, but more like a rorqual.

That is, they somewhat have a deployed mode.

When they're deployed, they can fire freely.

Whenever you tell them to engage a target or assist a friendly, the automatically go into deployed mode.


Now, when you recall them, they have a somewhat packing up effect.

While they're doing this they cannot fire on targets.


However, they have the mobility of a medium or heavy drone, or perhaps somewhere in the middle.



Now, there would be more to this slightly than having mobility

When packaging or unpackaging, they have a 5 second cycle to do so.

So, launch sentries, engage target (with 5 second unpackage delay), orbit your sentries while they blast the target, kill target, recal sentries (5 second packaging delay), then they fly back to your ship.


I only suggest this because I understand that sentry drones are meant to be immobile, however, I feel that if they can only be mobile OR engage a target, then it's still completely balanced.

This would basically be used for nothing more than recalling sentry drones at distance.

Edit...
If you remain within range of your drones they remain to be instant recovery and don't require the repackage delay.

If you engage a target, your drones would unpack, however, if your drones had already unpacked and engaged a target, they the do not have to pack and unpack again in order to engage another target unless you attempt to recover them.

Edit 2..

It has been suggested that they would need to be slower than heavies.
First, I think mediums and heavies need a mwd buff.
After that I think the sentries would be fine with a 400-500m/s velocity.
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-09-22 02:22:59 UTC
Awesome!!!! +1
DRB
Energy
#3 - 2012-09-22 03:01:23 UTC
Wonderful Idea best idea I have heard for drones in a while. ++++++++1 hereIdea
Sin Dekko
Vapor Lock.
Vapor-Lock
#4 - 2012-09-22 03:05:02 UTC
+1 to that idea

but i think to elaborate on the overall idea and maybe suggest something slightly different,

Maybe instead of launching sentries as u suggest and having the automatic deploy mode, perhaps it would be more realistic that u must deploy them out the dronebay where u are flying and then when u want them to be returned they have a long pack up time like say 1 minuted and then they will return to u!! this would be slighty more realistic in my eyes and would add a tactical measure to the deployment and usable factor.

HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-09-22 03:42:03 UTC
Sin Dekko wrote:
+1 to that idea

but i think to elaborate on the overall idea and maybe suggest something slightly different,

Maybe instead of launching sentries as u suggest and having the automatic deploy mode, perhaps it would be more realistic that u must deploy them out the dronebay where u are flying and then when u want them to be returned they have a long pack up time like say 1 minuted and then they will return to u!! this would be slighty more realistic in my eyes and would add a tactical measure to the deployment and usable factor.




Well, if you look at sentry drone designes

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Drones:Combat_Drones:Sentry_Drones

They all have the 4 wings/spikes sticking out.


My thought was, when you tell them to engage a target or return to you, those would actually collapse before the drones started moving, and would fold out when they were ordered to engage a target.


Now, they would remain in firing mode until they were ordered back, but ultimitely, the only reason for the 5 second duration to pack/unpack is simply a cosmetic timer to allow the animation to take act.



Like I said though... the fact that they couldn't fire while moving, and still couldn't move while firing would mean that they would be just as balanced as they are now, but it would be much easier/faster to retrieve them, expecially at a distance.
Gunnlaugur
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-09-22 10:02:16 UTC
+1 would make it alot funner to fly a sentry battleship, and also boost the few cruisers that can use them, nothing is more annoying then being @ 4,5k away from a sentry drone in a dominix that only goes 111m/s ...
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2012-09-22 10:13:50 UTC
Good idea, makes them far more viable for PVP when not gate camping/being in a carrier blob. +1
ilammy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-09-22 10:19:15 UTC
It's even more awesome than allowing the tractor beams to drag them.
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#9 - 2012-09-22 10:30:24 UTC
+1 this idea completely. I hate leaving drones behind Cry

ilammy wrote:
It's even more awesome than allowing the tractor beams to drag them.


but what if its both? Pirate

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Vi'ach
#10 - 2012-09-22 11:17:44 UTC
I've only dabbled a few times with Sentry Drones, but I like this idea a lot ... +1
HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-09-22 13:48:29 UTC
ilammy wrote:
It's even more awesome than allowing the tractor beams to drag them.



I've never heard that Idea before.

It has its flaws though cause you'd have to dedicate a high slot to a tractor, and I can't say that a tractor has ever been used in a pvp fit, lol.
Iris Bravemount
Golden Grinding Gears
#12 - 2012-09-22 14:36:39 UTC
It's true that sentries have this very annoying side-effect of almost forcing you to just sit there. But since there is an alternative if you don't like that (heavy drones), and mobile sentries would cause balancing issues (among else, making heavies even less used), I think they should remain as they are. They are a powerful tool, so they have to have strong downsides.

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - Paladin's Creed

Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#13 - 2012-09-22 15:16:38 UTC
The idea is nice but why are you against the idea of mobility?

How about them orbiting the host ship and firing at enemies from there? No one has to be stationary and you can change the optimal range dinamically by commanding your drones to assist allies.

Seems more legit for PVP scenarios.
Iris Bravemount
Golden Grinding Gears
#14 - 2012-09-22 20:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Iris Bravemount
Kaikka Carel wrote:
The idea is nice but why are you against the idea of mobility?

How about them orbiting the host ship and firing at enemies from there? No one has to be stationary and you can change the optimal range dinamically by commanding your drones to assist allies.

Seems more legit for PVP scenarios.


WHY U NO Heavy drones ?

Heavy drones are the mobile equivalent to sentries. They even do a little bit more damage IIRC. There is no need for mobile sentries. You don't like them? Don't use them.

Edit: Yes I do use sentries.

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - Paladin's Creed

HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-09-22 21:15:29 UTC
Iris Bravemount wrote:
Kaikka Carel wrote:
The idea is nice but why are you against the idea of mobility?

How about them orbiting the host ship and firing at enemies from there? No one has to be stationary and you can change the optimal range dinamically by commanding your drones to assist allies.

Seems more legit for PVP scenarios.


WHY U NO Heavy drones ?

Heavy drones are the mobile equivalent to sentries. They even do a little bit more damage IIRC. There is no need for mobile sentries. You don't like them? Don't use them.

Edit: Yes I do use sentries.



They're not mobile sentries.

They would not be able to engage targets while moving and would not be able to move while engaging targets.

They would package up with a 5 second packaging duration before they would be able to go into flight mode.

Now, when you told them to engage a target they would stop, have a 5 second upacking duration into firing mode, and then they would engage the target from a stationary position.
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#16 - 2012-09-22 21:33:12 UTC
while on the topic of sentries, medium and small sentry drones would be nice to have.
HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-09-22 21:42:23 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
while on the topic of sentries, medium and small sentry drones would be nice to have.


From what I've understood, sentries are good against smaller ships as long as they're at the right range.

However, when it come to hose smaller ships, you can launch light or medium drones
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#18 - 2012-09-22 22:23:24 UTC
I could get behind a deploy timer instead of the current system. It might even get me to train sentries up past 2. I tried them years ago when deciding which way I wanted to go and I just can't stand, with as slow as a Dominix is, having to ether go back for them or sitting on station.
Iris Bravemount
Golden Grinding Gears
#19 - 2012-09-23 03:46:41 UTC
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:

They're not mobile sentries.

They would not be able to engage targets while moving and would not be able to move while engaging targets.

They would package up with a 5 second packaging duration before they would be able to go into flight mode.

Now, when you told them to engage a target they would stop, have a 5 second upacking duration into firing mode, and then they would engage the target from a stationary position.


Yeah, but that would make heavy drones obsolete.

Want to move your ship ? Use heavies. Accept their short range and low speed.

Want to engage from a distance ? Use sentries. Accept their immobility.

Both have their ups and downs.

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - Paladin's Creed

Spr09
Abyssal Echoes
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#20 - 2012-09-23 03:52:46 UTC
Hearing drones having a "packing up" makes me think of Age of Empires 2's trebuchet.

+1
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