These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

[Winter] ORE frigate

First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Arele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-09-21 17:19:40 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Hello folks,

This topic is about the ORE frigate coming out this winter. While its concept art can be seen in the Ship Balancing Summer Update blog and some speculation has already started, time has come to talk about it in details.

Designed as an entry mining ship, it will replace the old 4 mining frigates in the Industry Career Path (the Tormentor, Bantam, Navitas and Burst). Compared to them, it has a much improved mining output, capacitor reliance and mobility, while having a decent 5000m3 ore hold. Its purpose is to be a fast hull capable of mining in hostile space (even if the current value of high-sec ores defeats this quite a bit, but that's another problem). It also serves as a gas harvester, a profession that was lacking love until now. With its +2 warp core strength bonus, it should stand a fair chance of doing its job in low-security space without being instantly tackled and killed.

It also comes with a brand new skill, mining frigate, rank 2. Further down the drain we will change mining barge skill requirements to need mining frigate at 4, but not for winter - we'll most likely do that at the same time as the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill changes to minimize training issues and complications. Again, since its the entry ship for mining, expect the market price to be low.


Mining frigate skill bonuses:
+5% to mining yield per level
+5% to gas harvesting yield per level
Role bonuses:
+100% to mining yield
+100% to gas harvesting yield
+ 2 warp core stabilizer bonus
Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 1 L, 2 turrets
Fittings: 45 PWG, 240 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 225 / 175 / 200
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 250 / 125s / 2
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 335 / 3.6 / 1200000 / 4.04s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10 / 10
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 15km / 750 / 5
Sensor strength: 4 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 40
Cargo capacity: 50
Ore hold: 5000


Constructive comments are welcome Pirate
Wow, it's like you read my mind on the gas thing with the reddit post. Good to see the gas use on there, as it makes this ship something everyone can want to fly, not just mining newbies. WH gassers are going to love this.
Rayge PVV
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-09-21 17:44:33 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Does gas fit in an ore bay? Assuming it does, the only appeal this ship has to me (wormhole gas sucking) is that it will cost less when it blows up (gas suckers are expensive!) it seems to be bonuses for gas, but it actually is no bonus at all.

I hope there are plans for a gas ship, because this is not the messiah we were promised!


my thoughts too, I agree completely. Speculation is that they will make a dedicated gas cruiser, as the frigate is supposed to be the 'entry level' version.

The math is actually really good if you only have gas harvesting 2, meaning that wh's who haven't gas harvested before will have only a minimal time investment in order to start. Good bye 10 LADAR sites in 1 c1 :P

‎"Don't give yourselves to the unnatural men, machine men, with machine minds and machine hearts. You are not machines, you are not cattle, you are men!" -Charlie Chaplin
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-09-21 18:09:11 UTC
Ehhhh....5000 m3 is a bit much for a frigate.
Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-09-21 18:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nikolai Dostoyevski
Saracha wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
  • The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
  • As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.



Well I guess that answers that.

Looks good.


+1

Love this frigate. Can't wait to run some forays into low-sec to do some mining.

I have a feeling pirates are going to have quite a few more targets soon. This is a nice, albeit minor, boost to low-sec.

Any thoughts on how hard this frigate would be to scan down if you have 3 ECCMs equipped?
CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#45 - 2012-09-21 18:13:58 UTC
And yes, folks, despite its name, gas is automatically harvested into the Ore hold. Wanted to file a bug report to CCP Tuxford in case it didn't, but he was quite clever and implemented that ahead of time during the mining barge changes Evil Clever girl.
Sun Win
#46 - 2012-09-21 18:20:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sun Win
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
  • The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
  • As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.



So I can continue to fly my Harbinger or Thorax or Moa or whatever with many stabs and 5x Gas Harvester IIs or I can divert my training path to push a Rank 2 skill to 5 to then get the same performance? Bad deal for the industrialists. I was really hoping to switch over to this shiny thing when carebearing in a hole.

Edit: On the other hand, that huge ore (gas) hold is appealing.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#47 - 2012-09-21 18:21:12 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
  • The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
  • As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.


Thanks for the response! <3

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#48 - 2012-09-21 18:22:54 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
And yes, folks, despite its name, gas is automatically harvested into the Ore hold. Wanted to file a bug report to CCP Tuxford in case it didn't, but he was quite clever and implemented that ahead of time during the mining barge changes Evil Clever girl.


Just capitalize it, like ORE hold, and add a little TM badge to it.

Then it's just fancy corporate jargon :D
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#49 - 2012-09-21 18:24:21 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
And yes, folks, despite its name, gas is automatically harvested into the Ore hold. Wanted to file a bug report to CCP Tuxford in case it didn't, but he was quite clever and implemented that ahead of time during the mining barge changes Evil Clever girl.


So based on that, an Orca can now haul gas in their ore holds?
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#50 - 2012-09-21 18:31:27 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.


Thanks for the response! <3

-Liang


2 (aka +100%) *1.25 * 2 turrets = 5 turrets no matter how many ways you try and flip the factors around.

You know this ;p

Where I am.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#51 - 2012-09-21 18:37:06 UTC
Hrm...

Two (gas) miner IIs, cloak, MWD, a few shield modules, DCU or nano, rigs to taste, looks like it'll all fit. The ore hold is pretty damn big, but I won't complain. The drones are pretty useless but it's an upgrade path option.

4 sec align time is tasty.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-09-21 18:39:41 UTC
add another bonus, 90% reduction to gas cloud environmental damage

Come on , do it.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Sinigr Shadowsong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-09-21 18:40:11 UTC
Isn't 750 scan resolution too much for mining frig? It's not supposed to catch pods on gates I guess.
Soko99
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-09-21 18:57:10 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
muhadin wrote:
Gets owned by gas cloud damage, GFGF


Depends on where you are harvesting. None of the lowsec or WH clouds I've ever mined have ever done damage. They don't explode. This is unique to a specific handful of nullsec clouds.

Frankly, I'd prefer all booster-gas mining and drug production be moved into lowsec anyways, but thats a debate for another thread...



Except there's gas in WHs too that are required for t3 production.. (haven't ran into a damaging cloud yet though)
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#55 - 2012-09-21 19:01:42 UTC
Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:
Isn't 750 scan resolution too much for mining frig? It's not supposed to catch pods on gates I guess.


It has better scan resolution (and better #locked targets) than a Punisher has, but these values are still not high.

I was more struck by how crippled its stats are in general. Thou Shalt Not Comedy This.
Soko99
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-09-21 19:06:22 UTC
Probably won't bother with this until a better or a cruiser version comes out. I mean. Why bother.. if the return is the same as a BC. Which has better tank and doesn't need any extra skills. 2 weeks of training just so I can gas the same amount as in my cane.

The inconvenience of hauling that gas is very minor in comparison. But I guess if I was new it would make sense..
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#57 - 2012-09-21 19:20:14 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
And yes, folks, despite its name, gas is automatically harvested into the Ore hold. Wanted to file a bug report to CCP Tuxford in case it didn't, but he was quite clever and implemented that ahead of time during the mining barge changes Evil Clever girl.


tuxford is a chick?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Cpt Gobla
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-09-21 19:23:35 UTC
Hrm... seeing as Gas Clouds come in chunks of 10m3 and you can't harvest half-chunks the gas bonus is completely useless on T1 harvesters and only useful on T2 harvesters when maxed.

At lvl 1 it would give 21m3 on a T1 Harvester but you can't harvest 1m3 of gas. So you harvest 2 chunks. At lvl 5 you harvest 25m3 but, again, you only get 2 chunks. Only with a T2 Harvester and ORE Frigate V do you hit 50m3 which translates to one additional chunk gained.

Skill Level <-> Actual yield per T1 Harvester <-> Actual yield per T2 Harvester
1 <-> 20m3 <-> 40m3
2 <-> 20m3 <-> 40m3
3 <-> 20m3 <-> 40m3
4 <-> 20m3 <-> 40m3
5 <-> 20m3 <-> 50m3
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#59 - 2012-09-21 19:28:45 UTC
Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:
Isn't 750 scan resolution too much for mining frig? It's not supposed to catch pods on gates I guess.



it is not a mining frig...

3 high slots!!!! nuets!!!

3 mid slots!!!!
mwd
point
tracking disrupter!

1 low???
dcu II

2 warrior II

personally i wish the ship got a bonus to mining drones and they gave the thing a 25 drones bay...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Irate Fox
Aideron Technologies
#60 - 2012-09-21 19:30:13 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.


I'll take this as assurance I needn't be worried as much as I am

Post fit? Lol