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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#41 - 2012-09-21 17:49:20 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing?


Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing? Big smile




Not sure if trolling, or just stupid.

The Tears Must Flow
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#42 - 2012-09-21 17:51:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaju Enki
Ukonius wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Ukonius wrote:
The game will not grow if the griefers are allowed to **** off new players too much. There has to be a limit, otherwise stagnation will set in. Every company wants to see growth and if that means pissing off a few 'I get beat up in rl so I am gonna be a keyboard commando and take it out on strangers' type players then so be it. Subscriber growth is of much more import than keeping a few old players happy.


The game is going just fine since 2003.



and how many more subs would there be if the griefing was, not stopped, but toned down a bit? I am not attacking griefers, to each their own, but the point remains and is valid.


It's the ONLY mmo that grows every single year since launch.

Their is a reason why people play EvE Online, it's a niche game, if they remove the "uniqueness" from it, the game dies.

The Tears Must Flow
Ukonius
Freeport Eleven
#43 - 2012-09-21 17:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ukonius
Vaju Enki wrote:
Ukonius wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Ukonius wrote:
The game will not grow if the griefers are allowed to **** off new players too much. There has to be a limit, otherwise stagnation will set in. Every company wants to see growth and if that means pissing off a few 'I get beat up in rl so I am gonna be a keyboard commando and take it out on strangers' type players then so be it. Subscriber growth is of much more import than keeping a few old players happy.


The game is going just fine since 2003.



and how many more subs would there be if the griefing was, not stopped, but toned down a bit? I am not attacking griefers, to each their own, but the point remains and is valid.


It the ONLY mmo that grows every single year since launch.

Their is a reason why people play EvE Online, it's a niche game, if they remove the "uniqueness" from it, the game dies.



Toned down griefing is hardly removing 'uniqueness'. Rampant griefing = slower growth, if it wasnt a problem then CCP wouldnt be doing as they are and causing so many vets to biotch on the forums.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#44 - 2012-09-21 18:00:04 UTC
Ukonius wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Ukonius wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Ukonius wrote:
The game will not grow if the griefers are allowed to **** off new players too much. There has to be a limit, otherwise stagnation will set in. Every company wants to see growth and if that means pissing off a few 'I get beat up in rl so I am gonna be a keyboard commando and take it out on strangers' type players then so be it. Subscriber growth is of much more import than keeping a few old players happy.


The game is going just fine since 2003.



and how many more subs would there be if the griefing was, not stopped, but toned down a bit? I am not attacking griefers, to each their own, but the point remains and is valid.


It the ONLY mmo that grows every single year since launch.

Their is a reason why people play EvE Online, it's a niche game, if they remove the "uniqueness" from it, the game dies.



Toned down griefing is hardly removing 'uniqueness'. Rampant griefing = slower growth, if it wasnt a problem then CCP wouldnt be doing as they are and causing so many vets to biotch on the forums.


So whats next? Ninja salvaging removed? Ganking? Wardecs? Scamming? Why not change the name of the game to world of warcraft in space?

The Tears Must Flow
Robert De'Arneth
#45 - 2012-09-21 18:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert De'Arneth
Vaju Enki wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing?


Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing? Big smile




Not sure if trolling, or just stupid.



Exuse me? You come in here and say they removed ore stealing, you are wrong! 100% wrong. And I did that without insulting you. Or, can you prove ore stealing is gone, take into account, I can go into the game right now and steal ore..

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#46 - 2012-09-21 18:02:27 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing?


Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing? Big smile




Not sure if trolling, or just stupid.



Exuse me? You come in here and say they removed ore stealing, you are wrong! 100% wrong. And I did that without insulting you. Or, can you prove ore stealing is gone, take into account, I can go into the game right now and steal ore..


99% of my EvE online time is ("was") doing ore stealing actions, their is almost no one jetcan mining anymore.

The Tears Must Flow
Robert De'Arneth
#47 - 2012-09-21 18:06:54 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing?


Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing? Big smile




Not sure if trolling, or just stupid.



Exuse me? You come in here and say they removed ore stealing, you are wrong! 100% wrong. And I did that without insulting you. Or, can you prove ore stealing is gone, take into account, I can go into the game right now and steal ore..


99% of my EvE online time is ("was") doing ore stealing actions, their is almost no one jetcan mining anymore.



Really? and you can back this up with what kind of proof? Because you say most people do not jet mine? I Jet mine bubba, my corp mates jet mine, I know others who jet mine. If you want to be an ore thief, work at at. You sound and look like someone who wants to hang around the noob areas and kill noobs who jet mine. You do not want to be an ore thief, you want to kill people who do not understand the game.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Pipa Porto
#48 - 2012-09-21 18:13:27 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Because daily freighter and industrial killmails, ganking, griefing and lol bumping confirming your post. Hisec, although more secure than null/low, is still most violent place in eve.


Really, Daily?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1939679#post1939679

Even with Bet Country's campaign of freighter ganking, they haven't managed to get it above 2 a day average in the prime gank spots.

Compare that to the volume of freight that goes out of Jita, (last estimate I saw had some hundred freighters per hour) and Freighters run little to no risk. 100 Freighters per hour leave Jita, that's 2400 Freighters per day and 2 die. A 2/2400 chance of death.

Miners have a similar level of safety since the Exhumer buff removed the possibility of industrialized ganking (the only thing that can cause significant losses to the HS mining fleet due to its dispersed nature).

So, where's the risk in HS?

And finally, if someone's griefing you, you can petition them, as that's against the EULA. (Might want to read up on CCP's definition of griefing first, though).

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#49 - 2012-09-21 18:14:11 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
[quote=Vaju Enki]Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing?


Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing? Big smile




99% of my EvE online time is ("was") doing ore stealing actions, their is almost no one jetcan mining anymore.



Really? and you can back this up with what kind of proof? Because you say most people do not jet mine? I Jet mine bubba, my corp mates jet mine, I know others who jet mine. If you want to be an ore thief, work at at. You sound and look like someone who wants to hang around the noob areas and kill noobs who jet mine. You do not want to be an ore thief, you want to kill people who do not understand the game.


Since the patch, i only found 5 guys jetcan mining.

The "work at it" is a nice theory. Imagine if CCP changed the mining career, removing 99% of the asteroid fields from the game, so you had to travel 6 hours searching to find some asteroid fields to mine for 5m. I bet you wouldn't like that.

The Tears Must Flow
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-09-21 18:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
EVE Online, where criminals whine about how hard it is for them to continue commiting crimes. Straight

How about this, in the interest of realism, those who are caught commiting crimes will be sentenced to a term of some months locked inside of a prison station where the only thing they will be able to do is run around their captain's closet.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#51 - 2012-09-21 18:16:26 UTC

This is going to end either way with the security changes coming soon from Crimewatch.

Watch that closer than this topic.

Where I am.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#52 - 2012-09-21 18:18:05 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
EVE Online, where criminals whine about how hard it is for them to continue commiting crimes. Straight


I don't think you understand the nature of the EvE Online sandbox.

The Tears Must Flow
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-09-21 18:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Vaju Enki wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
EVE Online, where criminals whine about how hard it is for them to continue commiting crimes. Straight


I don't think you understand the nature of the EvE Online sandbox.
If you do the crime do the time, just like real life. Blink
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Ukonius
Freeport Eleven
#54 - 2012-09-21 18:20:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ukonius
Ukonius wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Ukonius wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Ukonius wrote:
The game will not grow if the griefers are allowed to **** off new players too much. There has to be a limit, otherwise stagnation will set in. Every company wants to see growth and if that means pissing off a few 'I get beat up in rl so I am gonna be a keyboard commando and take it out on strangers' type players then so be it. Subscriber growth is of much more import than keeping a few old players happy.


The game is going just fine since 2003.



and how many more subs would there be if the griefing was, not stopped, but toned down a bit? I am not attacking griefers, to each their own, but the point remains and is valid.


It the ONLY mmo that grows every single year since launch.

Their is a reason why people play EvE Online, it's a niche game, if they remove the "uniqueness" from it, the game dies.



Toned down griefing is hardly removing 'uniqueness'. Rampant griefing = slower growth, if it wasnt a problem then CCP wouldnt be doing as they are and causing so many vets to biotch on the forums.


Vaju Enki wrote: So whats next? Ninja salvaging removed? Ganking? Wardecs? Scamming? Why not change the name of the game to world of warcraft in space?[/quote]


Ukonius wrote: What you are describing is extreme or total removal of griefing, not at all what I am saying and you know it. I see now you are just butthurt and unable to look at things from any but your own perspective. When you cant make a valid and/or logical counter-argument you resort to petty and childish behavior. I dont pity you mate, I nothing you, but you cant effect change, or keep things stale and stagnant as you seem to want, with that attitude.
Robert De'Arneth
#55 - 2012-09-21 18:21:06 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
[quote=Vaju Enki]Some wierd posts... since when removing unique features in EvE Online a good thing?


Right and yours is really weird, since they did not remove ore stealing. It seems weird you would act like they did. They made it so people like the op now have to work at it, and they gave miners options to avoid it, so i will reverse the question, since when are options a bad thing? Big smile




99% of my EvE online time is ("was") doing ore stealing actions, their is almost no one jetcan mining anymore.



Really? and you can back this up with what kind of proof? Because you say most people do not jet mine? I Jet mine bubba, my corp mates jet mine, I know others who jet mine. If you want to be an ore thief, work at at. You sound and look like someone who wants to hang around the noob areas and kill noobs who jet mine. You do not want to be an ore thief, you want to kill people who do not understand the game.

Since the patch, i only found 5 guys jetcan mining.

The "work at it" is a nice theory. Imagine if CCP changed the mining career, removing 99% of the asteroid fields from the game, so you had to travel 6 hours searching to find some asteroid fields to mine for 5m. I bet you wouldn't like that.


Well I mine, I would not call it my day job, as I much prefer flying my frigs around, so I would not be affected. Big smile However, if you stole my ore, I would giggle and move on. At best you get 20 mins with of ore, and that is if you came in an indy, in which case you would not leave with the ore. But anyone who spends 6 hours looking for ore to steal is not doing it right. At the end of the day, the change is in, you will adapt, or wait for a change. Good luck and happy flying sir!!

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#56 - 2012-09-21 18:25:05 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
EVE Online, where criminals whine about how hard it is for them to continue commiting crimes. Straight


I don't think you understand the nature of the EvE Online sandbox.
If you do the crime do the time, just like real life. Blink


Kind of hard doing a crime when the game mechanics prevent it.

The Tears Must Flow
Damsa Desirah
The Tourniquet Group
#57 - 2012-09-21 18:25:59 UTC
I am so confused... What happened to Ore thievery? I can't find any devblogs mentioning the nerf D:

It's not what your Alliance can do for you... It's what you can do to them before they realize you really work for the almighty WormHole God, BoB...
Simon VanDerHoogendal
#58 - 2012-09-21 18:31:41 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
With the changes on Mining Barges, the Ore Thief career is on the brink of extinction. "Professional ore thieving" was alot of fun, it was something that made EvE unique.

Why did CCP changed this?


Hmm the majority of ore thieving was done to players that did not yet have mining barges trained. IE. It was the guys using cruisers and jet canning into them or the mining frigate and jet canning. And guess what CCP did not make any changes to them or that early part of the mining career. It is still the same. And they are still jet canning.



I confirm this. I am the noob/idiot :P

(my character is 4 years old, but only 2 months of subscription, split on 2 chars)
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-09-21 18:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Vaju Enki wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
EVE Online, where criminals whine about how hard it is for them to continue commiting crimes. Straight


I don't think you understand the nature of the EvE Online sandbox.
If you do the crime do the time, just like real life. Blink


Kind of hard doing a crime when the game mechanics prevent it.
Well there we agree, I believe players should be able to commit crimes, but if you do you should be penalized in a very real and harsh way, that can not be circumvented through the use of alts or other accounts.

Than again making it so players who gank another player can't undock any character on any account they own for a month, or have the highest buy order value in the region for whatever item they steal from another player deducted from their wallet, might be a bit extreme... I think CCP's way is probably easier. Twisted
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Pipa Porto
#60 - 2012-09-21 18:39:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Paul Oliver wrote:
EVE Online, where criminals whine about how hard it is for them to continue commiting crimes. Straight

How about this, in the interest of realism, those who are caught commiting crimes will be sentenced to a term of some months locked inside of a prison station where the only thing they will be able to do is run around their captain's closet.


Sure. Then we just kill ourselves and the impounded ship gets returned to our next of kin. Then continue suicide ganking for only the cost of our medical clone. (Unless you're saying you want imprisonment on top of asset destruction and sec status hits).

How about this, if you're going to make stupid RP arguments, learn about EVE's RP Lore.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto