Crime & Punishment

I'm brand new to this game but when people talk about grief and the morals of it I think I need to say something, and maybe its because I'm new that I see things this way.

Eve is a video game. Yeah things you do in it can cause people grief in the video game but that grief doesn't really matter if it stays inside the video game. If that grief does get outside of the video game and into the person's real life then its the person's problem for taking a video game too seriously.

I mean yeah I was disappointed when Eve U rejected me for my name. But did I carry that grief to out to my life? Was I sad about it at football practice the next day? No way. It's only when I am playing the game or talking about the game that any of that even counts, and then it's still a game so it doesn't even 'count' really.

So, people who just want to cause grief to people, I don;t se what the big deal is, because they should only be able to cause grief in the real game. I mean it's not like one of the real colleges I am applying to right now is going to reject me because my name is Gaylord and its not like someone from eve is gonna come and blow up my bike.

What he said. I am illiterate and don't know what words mean. I get in trouble with that a lot you know...

Thank you for your thoughtful and balanced response! Much appreciated :)

lol people need to understand what "griefing" means,the M.A.D is not griefing. We are using war deccing mechanics to have fun in a sandbox game.. Eve Uni CEO has said himself that "we are not a threat to him". So tell me, what are we doing wrong?

Edit: This post is mostly a response to Naginata Rios and Gaylord Fappington, trying to clarify what I mean.

TL;DR: It's different to enjoy winning at the game, or to enjoy if the loser is upset and aiming for that.

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What I read from the first post in this thread is, among other things, the joy of denying new (or new'ish) players the ability to actually play.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm all for attacking each other, using whatever means to shift the odds to your own side and so on.
I understand you want to make a point, eve uni did things you don't like so you're fighting against them. You don't agree with what they teach their "students" so you try to show them what's wrong with that.
That's all okay, some of that even great.

I just don't get the joy over camping people into a station so they don't come out at all. Denying them playing the game at all.
I mean, I understand that can happen, I understand you can try to provoke a fight and your targets can be too cautious or cowardly, or whatever you want to call it, to do anything

But why are you glad about that? Why do you enjoy when players, who might not know better because they really are new, effectively don't do anything, can't do anything because of you? Especially if you don't get the fights you're out for.

and @Gaylord Fappington: I agree. It's a game, you shouldn't take it so seriously, and if you do it's basically your fault. If I shoot at someone I accept the risk he's going to be upset IRL. If that case really happens, though, I won't enjoy it. I usually won't fret over it either, but that's a difference.

There are people hinting at, or explicitly stating that they aim for these reactions, because they enjoy them.
Not the feeling of superiority because their enemies appear to be or are helpless, not their win, but the grief they cause others.
And that's, as I said, sad.

And that's the vibe I got from parts of the first post in this thread.

If I misunderstood that, my apologies.

Doesn't make my opinion any different about those people who are like I described, though.

You know nothing of the war. M.A.D is not a staion camping group, we dont camp the eve uni station, that would be suicide, eve uni would just undock their hordes of black birds and we would die in a fire,.

We are a small gang ROAMING group, any new player with any brains can watch local,

You should learn about the people you judge,

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No no no I apolgize because I stated my opinions wrong. But the main focus of the war is to prove EVE Uni wrong in it's statement of us not being any kind of threat, and the main way to achieve that is to make its members feel bad. So that's an error on my part of phrasing it badly. My apologies....

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wartime_Standard_Operating_Procedures

To that end, the SOP is intended to:
[...] Deny the enemy any enjoyment from the conflict.


My my, EVEuni is a griefing alliance ?

I don’t speak for U-Mad…

I’ve seen many posts that try to convince us that Eve-Uni is the only good place that can train a noob... that we must all be thankful for all of the great things Eve-Uni has done for our community….that we will have a bright future because Eve-Uni will help make it so….

Eve-Uni is NOT the Vatican folks! They are an alliance with a great sales pitch making isk.

Our future in Eve is heavily dependent on new players, which is why we want to encourage new players to join small developing corporations and alliances. They should take advantage of those “smaller classroom sizes” and create long lasting relationships with other players (Kumbaya and all that). They should learn to develop their leadership skills and diversify their income streams. They should learn to fight as a team.

Best noob training I had was getting war dec’d by a much more experienced pvp corp. At the time, I thought of them as a griefer corp. Our little noob corp (Kai Z) fought back under the guidance of just one experienced player who wanted to help a small corp grow (Thanks Sting). Killing our first T3 using an FC’d small inexperienced gang is my most memorable pvp fight. That one encounter sealed the deal for me – I was hooked on Eve.

You want to save Eve’s future? Experienced players should dedicate more of their time to small/start-up corporations filled with new players and help them grow into the next mega alliance. Many of our current members have alts in small corporations, helping to train the future pilots of Eve.

We are not anti-noobs. We recognize that without new players, this game will eventually die out. We do believe that our future in Eve should NEVER be dependent on one organization – an organization left unchecked to decide, develop, and train new players – twisting our future gameplay into compliance with their own beliefs of what should be fun and good. Never worry…don’t bother to think… big brother Eve-Uni knows what’s best for us.

No alliance should ever become too big to fail.