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[Winter] ORE frigate

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Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-09-21 16:46:14 UTC
This will be nice for those gas clouds at signatures in lowsec :D

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#22 - 2012-09-21 16:48:12 UTC
HazeInADaze wrote:
Are they old hulls being repurposed or mothballed? I always like the navitas hull but had no use for it.


Navitas, Burst, Bantam, and Inquisitor are now logistics frigates. Tormentor ended up as a combat frigate.

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Saracha
#23 - 2012-09-21 16:53:00 UTC
I mean yes this ship does almost have the yield of a battlecruiser or other ship with 5 unbonused turrets, but I really feel that a specialized mining ships with bonuses to gas mining should be a little better than below average.
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-09-21 16:53:19 UTC
Does the bonuses stack?

It appears that it gives 100% + 25% = less than 5 gas harvasters !!!

unless the formula goes with +100% to the already +25% value, then it is indeed equal to 5 harvasters

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Anshu Zephyran
Knavery Inc.
#25 - 2012-09-21 16:55:59 UTC
Will the tutorials be changed to issue these and their BPCs instead of the old mining frigates and their BPCs?
Saracha
#26 - 2012-09-21 16:56:09 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
Does the bonuses stack?

It appears that it gives 100% + 25% = less than 5 gas harvasters !!!

unless the formula goes with +100% to the already +25% value, then it is indeed equal to 5 harvasters


Yeah could a dev please clarify if these bonuses will stack?
NearNihil
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
#27 - 2012-09-21 17:00:15 UTC
This is an entry-level mining ship, by the looks of it. I'd expect a T2 version of it to be focused on gas mining rather than a (supposedly) cheap T1 frigate, so don't get your knickers in a twist over a cheap, fragile-as-a-pod t1 frigate that doesn't quite mine as well as the others.
Irate Fox
Aideron Technologies
#28 - 2012-09-21 17:01:09 UTC
Given the low output of mining lasers I would like at least four turrets.

It should also have 1 more drone slot for self-defense so I'm not running away from low-sec frigate rats. (Anti-ratting defenses should be decent; players I should still run screaming from). One more low-slot would be very handy as well. I haven't run the numbers but I feel like I've been let down by this build :(
CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#29 - 2012-09-21 17:01:19 UTC

  • The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
  • The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
  • As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#30 - 2012-09-21 17:05:30 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
*snip*

Mining frigate skill bonuses:
+5% to mining yield per level
+5% to gas harvesting yield per level
Role bonuses:
+100% to mining yield
+100% to gas harvesting yield
+ 2 warp core stabilizer bonus
Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 1 L, 2 turrets
Fittings: 45 PWG, 240 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 225 / 175 / 200
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 250 / 125s / 2
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 335 / 3.6 / 1200000 / 4.04s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10 / 10
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 15km / 750 / 5
Sensor strength: 4 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 40
Cargo capacity: 50
Ore hold: 5000


Constructive comments are welcome Pirate


Hay CCP Ytterbium, I would like to chime in w/ a suggestion.

Everything looks really good as a mining frigate (I guess) but you know, this wouldn't be a bad little ninja salvager ship if you would give it a little bit of a bonus to salvaging (5%?) and at least 250m3 of cargo space. Doable?

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Shane Joven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-09-21 17:08:14 UTC
Will their be a Tech 2 Version of the frigate?
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#32 - 2012-09-21 17:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Acac Sunflyier
NEVER MIND! I am so so happy for that role bonus. Completely fixes the role versus cruisers. Except if the cruiser is using 5 t2s.Look fact is he ore frig needs like a 10% boost gas.
Saracha
#33 - 2012-09-21 17:09:18 UTC
NearNihil wrote:
This is an entry-level mining ship, by the looks of it. I'd expect a T2 version of it to be focused on gas mining rather than a (supposedly) cheap T1 frigate, so don't get your knickers in a twist over a cheap, fragile-as-a-pod t1 frigate that doesn't quite mine as well as the others.



That's going off on the expectation that there will in fact be a T2 version. I'm just curious as to whether or not this will be a mining ship that a experienced player would want to fly as well. Experienced players, especially in places where its sometimes difficult to bring in many different ships like wormholes, aren't going to bring in these ships if they know that they will preform poorly in comparison to their current tools. However if these new ore frigates preform equally well or better than non specialized ships, but have the added benefit of a large cargo hold, they will see more use. Especially from older players.

This use is important to getting these ships in to newbie hands. If there is a low market for these ships, then they will be harder for newbies to buy. Which is very counterproductive if you want this ships to be primarily for newbies starting out on a mining career.

Also if many of these fragile ships were to be flow in places like wormholes. Where a stealth bomber could take them out. How much fun would that be?
Saracha
#34 - 2012-09-21 17:10:54 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
  • The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
  • As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.



Well I guess that answers that.

Looks good.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#35 - 2012-09-21 17:11:30 UTC
Gogela wrote:


Hay CCP Ytterbium, I would like to chime in w/ a suggestion.

Everything looks really good as a mining frigate (I guess) but you know, this wouldn't be a bad little ninja salvager ship if you would give it a little bit of a bonus to salvaging (5%?) and at least 250m3 of cargo space. Doable?


I think this should be made as a limited edition series for Winter Holidays using this hull as a salvager.

That's just me though.

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Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
#36 - 2012-09-21 17:13:31 UTC
People are concerned about the fragility of this ship, but I do clearly see that you'll be able to fit two Miner IIs and, with the extra highslot, a cloak. And with enough PG to fit a MWD, you can be sure you'll be able to escape from most enemies quickly (MWD+Cloak alignment trick).

Looks nice and agile! I'll have to pick one up for null ninja mining.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-09-21 17:14:02 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:


I think this should be made as a limited edition series for Winter Holidays using this hull as a salvager.

That's just me though.


Use a noctis, or use a frigate that is unbonused. There doesn't need to be more annoying salvagers in highsec. It isn't meant to be a "ninja" profession.

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Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-09-21 17:14:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Kolonko
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
NEVER MIND! I am so so happy for that role bonus. Completely fixes the role versus cruisers.


no, its not - they have exactly the same yield

At the same time, if you compare two players with gam mining at lvl 4 (no t2 harvasters AND max 4 harvasters) the mining frig wins even at lvl 1



Edit: lol, i clicked quote before you changed it, but it already took you message after the change, and i didnt even looked at it :P

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Sylvilagus Palustris
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-09-21 17:16:11 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
  • The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
  • As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.



Assuming that gas harvesters work like all the other mining lasers, the 2.5 would be rounded down to 2, for a total of 4 units/cycle.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#40 - 2012-09-21 17:17:26 UTC
Does gas fit in an ore bay? Assuming it does, the only appeal this ship has to me (wormhole gas sucking) is that it will cost less when it blows up (gas suckers are expensive!) it seems to be bonuses for gas, but it actually is no bonus at all.

I hope there are plans for a gas ship, because this is not the messiah we were promised!