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Winter Cruiser Expansion and Gallente Ships
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#21 - 2012-09-21 11:46:50 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
You still can armor tank the thorax, it will just be ineffective due to balance issue between armor and shield tank, balance issues which will be fixed soon(TM).

As for the valkyriesSW600, with skills they go to 2500m/s, and very few cruisers go beyond this speed. And in point range engagement, the velocity difference mean you will have something like 5s at best to lock the drones and kill them, or they will web you. By the time you kill them all, you will be caught. The problem is that they are a one fight weapon in this case, but there must be a way to dispose of them, or kiting would die.

Kiting is the natural counter to blasters, so its normal to feel vulnerable to it in, a blaster boat. But as some have said, there is an alternative : rail thorax.



cough ... have u ever tried null loaded t2 te neutron thorax?


can kite pretty well too
Superior Glokta
Inner Melody
#22 - 2012-09-21 23:34:03 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Have you seen the speed of the Thorax ? Have you seen it's fourth med slot ? This ship will be *very* fast and you will be able to shield tank it to not be slower. And have you heard about lighter web drones ? A flight a 5 Valyries SW600 will slow down yout ennemy by at least 30% ! And as they go to 2500m/s with max skills, they will catch any cruiser, no matter what it does. And if you cannot catch a 30% webbed target, there's nothing to do to help you.



They are also making the Rupture even faster, so it will still be able to run circles around the new Thorax and Vexor
Voi Lutois
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-09-21 23:46:39 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:

cough ... have u ever tried null loaded t2 te neutron thorax?

can kite pretty well too


^what he said
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#24 - 2012-09-21 23:47:56 UTC
Superior Glokta wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Have you seen the speed of the Thorax ? Have you seen it's fourth med slot ? This ship will be *very* fast and you will be able to shield tank it to not be slower. And have you heard about lighter web drones ? A flight a 5 Valyries SW600 will slow down yout ennemy by at least 30% ! And as they go to 2500m/s with max skills, they will catch any cruiser, no matter what it does. And if you cannot catch a 30% webbed target, there's nothing to do to help you.



They are also making the Rupture even faster, so it will still be able to run circles around the new Thorax and Vexor


Attack cruisers vs. Combat cruisers. The former is supposed to be faster. The Atron is to the Rifter what the Thorax will be to the Rupture.
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#25 - 2012-09-29 21:03:10 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
The reason people don't use webber drones is they came pre-nerfed. Their sig radius is huge, they are too slow, they have low hitpoints, a terrible optimal, and stacking penalties. It is disigenuous to suggest that web drones make up for armour tanked blaster boats being slow as a bucket of pus.


as i ran down a cane with my brutix using web drones. yes they suck so bad.... not.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-09-29 22:23:37 UTC
Soon Shin wrote:
Hopefully CCP now understands that Slow armor ships with the shortest range weapon system is bad.

How I view it Gallente could be like minmatar where you have ships that armor tank and then ships that shield tank.

I do wish CCP stops giving gallente more structure and instead more armor and shield instead.

This is ensure there are an equal number of shield ships and equal number of armor ships.

Here's my field on gallente ships should be:

Drone Boats = Armored Ships

Blaster Boats = Shield Ships

The new webbing drones suck due to stacking penalties.

all they have to do is flip the stats of hybrids and projectiles to be honest. though blaster minnie ships could very well break the game
Mirima Thurander
#27 - 2012-10-01 20:24:04 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
Soon Shin wrote:
Hopefully CCP now understands that Slow armor ships with the shortest range weapon system is bad.

How I view it Gallente could be like minmatar where you have ships that armor tank and then ships that shield tank.

I do wish CCP stops giving gallente more structure and instead more armor and shield instead.

This is ensure there are an equal number of shield ships and equal number of armor ships.

Here's my field on gallente ships should be:

Drone Boats = Armored Ships

Blaster Boats = Shield Ships

The new webbing drones suck due to stacking penalties.

all they have to do is flip the stats of hybrids and projectiles to be honest. though blaster minnie ships could very well break the game




That sounds like the best idea ever. Ccp do this now.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Mirima Thurander
#28 - 2012-10-01 20:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
Double post

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#29 - 2012-10-02 11:03:57 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
Soon Shin wrote:
Hopefully CCP now understands that Slow armor ships with the shortest range weapon system is bad.

How I view it Gallente could be like minmatar where you have ships that armor tank and then ships that shield tank.

I do wish CCP stops giving gallente more structure and instead more armor and shield instead.

This is ensure there are an equal number of shield ships and equal number of armor ships.

Here's my field on gallente ships should be:

Drone Boats = Armored Ships

Blaster Boats = Shield Ships

The new webbing drones suck due to stacking penalties.

all they have to do is flip the stats of hybrids and projectiles to be honest. though blaster minnie ships could very well break the game




That sounds like the best idea ever. Ccp do this now.



very smart ... not

so the slow/tanked gallente ships will receive kiting bonused guns and fast soft minnie will receive the close range high dps guns. Erhmmm ....
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#30 - 2012-10-02 11:42:55 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:

very smart ... not

so the slow/tanked gallente ships will receive kiting bonused guns and fast soft minnie will receive the close range high dps guns. Erhmmm ....

This. Gallente would be worse amarr boat, and minmatar would pownmachine with absolutely no counter.
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