Ships & Modules

Because unguided missiles are mainly for shooting things the same size as your ship or larger.

Oh, and I believe HAMs will soon do a lot more damage than HMLs, since the latter will lose 20% of their dps.

But that's not because HAMs are getting a boost, they're just not getting a nerf.

This is ccp were talking about.

The ones who said 18 months and nearly destroyed themselves a year ago.

They have improved but there this still much to be desired.

This always bugs me..."unguided missiles" are actually rockets...




The word missile comes from the Latin verb mittere, meaning "to send".

In military usage, munitions projected towards a target are broadly categorised as follows:

A powered, guided munition that travels through the air or space is known as a missile (or guided missile.)

A powered, unguided munition is known as arocket.

Unpowered munitions not fired from a gun are called bombs whether guided or not; unpowered, guided munitions are known as guided bombs or "smart bombs".

Munitions that are fired from a gun are known as projectiles whether guided or not. If explosive they are known more specifically as shells or mortar bombs.

Some even guess HAM boats will be the new fotm.

how come when i was a riot on the news do the new reporters say "the rioters threw missiles into the police crowd" they are talking about very much unguided rocks?

Hi, to adress the initial post:

If you examine the missile system you can see that it was entirely designed in opposite of the turrets.

eg., not only do LR missiles have better "tracking", but also lower fitting issues. Turret convention is reversed.

In part this may be a racial trait standpoint: looking at Caldari as a missile race, a heavy shield tank race and an LR race.

In another part it's probably pseudo-scientific RP considering how guided and unguided systems manifest themselves.

More importantly though, it deals with other differences in the weapon systems:

Turrets have tracking modules that not only improves tracking but also range. That have a direct synergy both with how their LR weapons track worse and how their SR weapons face the secondary elements of the accuracy equation: angular and radial velocity. It's an odd way of putting it, but you can say it helps the LR weapons "in" and the SR weapons "out". For LR it deals with angular, both by applying tracking to radial component and by applying range to the bowing manoever (longer range, wider approach). For SR it deals both with the orbit itself (tracking) and the width of the orbit (range).

Since missiles have no transversal (and thus no angular or radial) they rely solely on onedimensional sig-speed modifiers for accuracy, and those effects are generally short range. That means their shorter weapons "have to" track worse not to throw the balance. Having SR missiles track better would make them uncontrollable strong against smaller ships within web-distance (if LR are still to hit), while the accuracy component balance that our for SR turrets relative LR.

To put it in more simple terms: if missiles were balanced around performance in short range of many effects (webs, scrams, neuts etc.) with SR having a higher tracking, LR would simply not be able to hit anything without those effects.

You can see this in how some SR missiles (Torps, most notably) almost "require" webs and paints to function. It's only logical to have such issues on the systems that operate in the range of the effects they rely on (in-out, contra out-in).

This is why missiles always have been "reversed" (tracking, fitting etc.)

Really? I'd like to see these battleship turrets which use cruiser ammo.

Hint: They don't exist, the Dual 250mm Railgun (for example) uses L charges and has significantly lower tracking than the cruiser 250mm Rail. The AML (or RLML now) is unique in its "downsize" effect.

There is one BIG problem with missiles ...


Guns have larger CPU\PG req . on range weapons , less on close range (yes , because you need bigger tank for close range) ...
but with missiles its reversely . So you cant fit normal tank on HAMs (except drake\sacri) ... = HAMs sux ... try fit cerberus\caracal\tengu with HAMs vs HMLs .. thats almost imposssible ....Dumb ? yes

edit: RavenPaine : In new patch speed reduction ill be removed

Yet the 250mm dual rail have better tracking than the 425mm rail, right?

Did you seriously single out a lone sentence from two full posts discussing the topic to argue the semantics of a descriptive example that had little to do with the actual points made? Not only that, you did it with a pissy attitude too, being sarcastic about how it could be misinterpreted as discussing ammo while it should be obvious that it's just a general reference to how guns have different tiers. Considering how missiles don't have accuracy modifiers on the launchers, it's kind of difficult making a reference without mentioning ammunition (since that is what contain the accuracy variable for missiles). I can't really compare the launcher to the turret.

What about the actual points raised regarding the effects of TE on SML, AML or HML, and how TE on guns interact on two levels with both the SR and LR versions? Do you have anything worthwhile to add?

I don't mind if you pick at details when you have something to add that is of value to the topic as a whole.