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Q: Shield Gank Brutix - why no web?
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Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-09-21 02:58:41 UTC
Hi everyone,

So instinctively, because of the need to trap something close to the Brutix' blasters, I fit a webber... but when I have a look at the BC loadouts, I see pretty much none of the shield buffer tank blaster brutix' fit a webber.

How come? I would have thought a web/scram would be the choice for a close range blaster boat.

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2012-09-21 03:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
Because it doesn't fit with a shield tank?

Edit: or more generally, shield gank fits do more damage and project it effectively -- plus they have mobility, which armor buffer fits most certainly don't. That helps make up for the lack of web. After all, how much good is a web going to do if you never get into range to apply it?
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-09-21 03:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Methesda
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Because it doesn't fit with a shield tank?


Doesn't fit is a bit harsh. Sacrifices the shield tank, well ok, but for the utility of having something stick close to your guns, makes sense to me...

Or maybe I just haven't mcuh experience of flying the ship yet.

Here's what I came up with before checking out the BC loadouts...

[Brutix, Solo anti-bc]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Reactor Control Unit I

Large Shield Extender II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


801dps, 43k EHP, 1189m/s @ lvl 5's (but fits nice using my skills.

I like the fact that it has a web, and my feeling is I would feel safer with scram/web than another 10k EHP.

Or is my feeling wrong about that?

(EDIT Replying to your edit.. :D - I take your point, but I feel like if you got the drop on someone, guaranteeing that they would stay within range for long enough to blow them away would be worth it... again, speaking from no experience. Sounds like I'll just have to give the no web version a try, and see what happens).

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-09-21 03:46:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Error
Nothing cruiser size or above is going to get out of your range quickly enough if you have them scrammed (ok, maybe if they have an AB, but that's not likely). Frigates either aren't dumb enough to get webbed/engage/etc. anyway or are confident that they can TD you or otherwise reduce your DPS. The EHP you lose for fitting that web isn't really worth it unless you think it's for a specific situation. If you do go with a web rather than invuln, switch to a long point IMO.

Keep in mind the shield gank brutix isn't the greatest thing ever for catching things solo (although it's certainly possible)-- ideally you either want friends, or you want enemies that WANT to fight you.
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-09-21 03:56:16 UTC
Eternal Error wrote:
or you want enemies that WANT to fight you.


**** well, that's just about everyone where I hang out. haha

Thanks for your feedback EE, and Zhilia.

I'll stick with a standard fit whilst I try the boat out.

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Predator989
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#6 - 2012-09-21 05:46:56 UTC
Methesda wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Because it doesn't fit with a shield tank?


Doesn't fit is a bit harsh. Sacrifices the shield tank, well ok, but for the utility of having something stick close to your guns, makes sense to me...

Or maybe I just haven't mcuh experience of flying the ship yet.

Here's what I came up with before checking out the BC loadouts...

[Brutix, Solo anti-bc]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Reactor Control Unit I

Large Shield Extender II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


801dps, 43k EHP, 1189m/s @ lvl 5's (but fits nice using my skills.

I like the fact that it has a web, and my feeling is I would feel safer with scram/web than another 10k EHP.

Or is my feeling wrong about that?

(EDIT Replying to your edit.. :D - I take your point, but I feel like if you got the drop on someone, guaranteeing that they would stay within range for long enough to blow them away would be worth it... again, speaking from no experience. Sounds like I'll just have to give the no web version a try, and see what happens).


The fit is fine as it has plenty of ehp, BUT you really need to drop that faction web. It costs as much as another brutix last I checked (2-3 months ago)
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-09-21 06:39:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Methesda wrote:
Hi everyone,

So instinctively, because of the need to trap something close to the Brutix' blasters, I fit a webber... but when I have a look at the BC loadouts, I see pretty much none of the shield buffer tank blaster brutix' fit a webber.

How come? I would have thought a web/scram would be the choice for a close range blaster boat.



Not enough mods, and if you get a scram on your target, they are ****** anyway.
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#8 - 2012-09-21 08:38:12 UTC
Brutix: One of the few ships where webber drones have some value.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#9 - 2012-09-21 11:23:33 UTC
web drones? I'd still rather have 5 medium drones putting damage on a target...

Pinky
To mare
Advanced Technology
#10 - 2012-09-21 13:04:40 UTC
put 5 medium ecm drones, if they cant web/scram you back there is no way they gonna get away because anything with a AB will be slower than you and anything with a mwd will be scrammed so even more slow.
not to mention the others obvious advantages of ecm drones
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#11 - 2012-09-21 15:59:47 UTC
ECM drones are the bane of frigates. If you aren't carrying 5 light/med ECM drones on a ship with at least 25m^3 drone bay, you are doing it wrong.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#12 - 2012-09-22 04:57:57 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
ECM drones are the bane of frigates. If you aren't carrying 5 light/med ECM drones on a ship with at least 25m^3 drone bay, you are doing it wrong.

-Liang

Yeah, nothing more embarrassing than getting solo'd by a frig because you used your drone bay for max EFT dps. I usually ran a flight of light ECM drones and a flight of warriors or hobs.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-09-22 08:45:02 UTC
Methesda wrote:
Hi everyone,

So instinctively, because of the need to trap something close to the Brutix' blasters, I fit a webber... but when I have a look at the BC loadouts, I see pretty much none of the shield buffer tank blaster brutix' fit a webber.

How come? I would have thought a web/scram would be the choice for a close range blaster boat.




Why would you want to use the web with the highest tracking weapon system on a BC against another BC or cruiser?
Your major problem is to GET IN RANGE, if you don't have enough buffer to get in range and apply that uber EFT dps (lol) your web is just pointless.

OH MWD, get in range/scram it, KILL IT !

brb
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-09-24 02:23:59 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
[quote=Methesda]Why would you want to use the web with the highest tracking weapon system on a BC against another BC or cruiser?
Your major problem is to GET IN RANGE


I think
a) you answered your own question
b) I answered this earlier.

If the major problem is to get in range, then the next biggest problem is staying in range. Hence the web, and why i talked about my target 'getting away' from me earlier.

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-09-24 03:40:17 UTC
Methesda wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
[quote=Methesda]Why would you want to use the web with the highest tracking weapon system on a BC against another BC or cruiser?
Your major problem is to GET IN RANGE


I think
a) you answered your own question
b) I answered this earlier.

If the major problem is to get in range, then the next biggest problem is staying in range. Hence the web, and why i talked about my target 'getting away' from me earlier.


The cane and tornado are the only faster BCs, Brutix two shots the shields off both, so unless you catch the oddball armor cane pilot, staying there generally isn't hard.

Plus, shield Brutix isn't a solo ship really, maybe if you get creative with a ASB setup, but not a passive buffer
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-09-24 04:47:20 UTC
Onictus wrote:

The cane and tornado are the only faster BCs, Brutix two shots the shields off both, so unless you catch the oddball armor cane pilot, staying there generally isn't hard.

Plus, shield Brutix isn't a solo ship really, maybe if you get creative with a ASB setup, but not a passive buffer


Thanks for this. I'm clearly in need of fitting to standard, and just taking it for a spin... lack of experience obvious!

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-09-24 05:17:09 UTC
Methesda wrote:
Onictus wrote:

The cane and tornado are the only faster BCs, Brutix two shots the shields off both, so unless you catch the oddball armor cane pilot, staying there generally isn't hard.

Plus, shield Brutix isn't a solo ship really, maybe if you get creative with a ASB setup, but not a passive buffer


Thanks for this. I'm clearly in need of fitting to standard, and just taking it for a spin... lack of experience obvious!


Lose the web for an invuln and swap in a TE (or two), I think I ran mine single TE, but I'm at work
and can't check, sadly, my beloved Brutix got left in empire when I moved to null.

It's the first BC I ever bought.