Jita Park Speakers Corner

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/csm7-thrown-em-under-bus.html

Episode #79 of the Lost in EVE podcast was released. I don't recommend listening to the entire thing. It's a tad over four and a half hours in length. Which is kind of ridiculous.

Length of Lost in EVE aside, Hans Jagerblitzen and Seleene appear on the episode, for about an hour and twenty minutes. From 0:28:00 to 1:49:00.

The interesting part of the podcast is where the hosts, Jade and Rundle, ask Hans and Seleene to rate the involvement and contributions of each of their fellow CSM members. It begins at 1:11:20. Hans is unable to answer for over twenty seconds. It actually sounds like he's choking on his own spit, the prospect of saying anything about anyone that might cause someone to be angry with him is causing all sorts of discomfort.

So for the next ten minutes, the hosts lowball the requirements of the question, so that Hans can give them some sort of answer. Seleene seems to think assigning everyone a colour is acceptable. Eventually Hans and Seleene agree that there are six CSM7 members who are doing a good job, and seven who shouldn't be on the council.

Bravo, Hans and Seleene. Genitalia, confirmed. Balls, still missing.

The only two they're willing to name explicitly for not contributing are Issler and Darius III. But those two are easy. Everyone and their pets know they were wasted votes. So calling out those two, while keeping the other five names a secret, is no information at all.

Although, not stated on this podcast, both are completely unwilling to throw anyone under the bus because they don't want to create a bad working relationship with any of their fellow CSM members. Which would be fine if all those CSM7 members were actually doing things of value. But as stated during those uncomfortable ten minutes, there are seven CSM7 members who aren't doing much of anything at all. So why be worried about a working relationship with someone that isn't showing up to do any work?

Hans even suggests the following to CSM8 voters:

"[1:21:30] The advice to voters the next time around, is [to] keep an eye on the people that are already doing the job. Not the people that want the job, [but] the people that are already doing the job and just want to be able to do it with greater access and greater information and take it to the next level."

If Hans isn't going to name any names, erring on the side of being nice to everybody, then the voters are left to guess which six busted their asses and which seven did not. Do the six that did bust their asses really want to be running CSM8 campaigns against the seven who did nothing? Maybe the electorate get it wrong, assume that Elise is one of the no-gooders, and that Dovinian is a do-gooder.

Whatever happened to transparency? Call them out now. They'll either continue doing nothing, or they'll get the kick in the pants that spurs them into being contributors.

They did eventually make a few comments on each of their fellow representatives, so some reading between the lines (and telling silences) will have to do for now.

To sum up their responses on each CSM7 representative:

Hans Jagerblitzen: Getting representatives to scorecard themselves is ridiculous. He obviously feels he is hard-working. (I wouldn't disagree.) Would he want to see someone just like himself on CSM8? Yes.

Seleene: Hardworking. Has a Pandemic Phone to Soundwave and Unifex. CSM8, yes.

Greene Lee: Language barrier to the max. Doesn't spend much time communicating with CCP. Seleene and Hans hear that he might be doing a bunch of translating to Russian players. (I wonder, if he can't speak English well, how does he translate what he has trouble understanding in the first place.) In an effort to not sound negative, they both give him the benefit of the doubt. CSM8, no.

Darius III: CSM8, no.

Elise Randolph: The super-nerd of CSM7. Excellent at all things ships. (We all knew this though.) CSM8, yes.

Issler Dainze: CSM8, no.

UAxDEATH: A long silence. Hans gives the floor to Seleene, "You know him better than me." That's not the sort of thing you'd hear if the guy showed up on the Skype channel regularly. Would seem that he is mostly absentee. CSM8, no.

Two Step: Hard working. Neither have an issue with his input. (I was disappointed that he does not actually do the job of Secretary, and Hans has to pick up all that slack as Vice-Secretary.) CSM8, yes.

Meissa Anunthiel: Dropped off the face of the earth. CSM8, no.

Kelduum Revaan: Five full seconds of silence. A lot of lip smacking and umming and awing, as Hans and Seleene figure out some positive spin. That says all there is to say about Kelduum. His only contributions have been towards the corporate management UI and something to do with mineral compression. (And to claim that Kelduum knows how to retain new players is a falsehood. His solution is, "Get them into EVE University." He has no clue about how to retain players if EVE University is not part of the process.) CSM8, no.

Dovinian: Was involved with mineral compression with Kelduum. His only contribution, apparently. CSM8, no.

Alekseyev Karrde: Hard-working. Invaluable. CSM8, yes.

Trebor Daehdoow: Workhorse. CSM8, yes.

So there's the six representatives that Hans and Seleene would be glad to serve with on another CSM (assuming each were to run again), and there are the seven reps they think should not run again.

^ So bad time to bring up my cloning idea and research?

I've done exactly what I promised to do if elected. I'm on Skype daily, in the forums daily, provide feedback when I can provide something intelligent to the conversation. I've made all the town halls. I even transcribed one session of the first Iceland meeting.

What I haven't done is try to become a game designer.

So sorry I'm not worthy to be in the CSM 8 in the eyes of two of my co-CSMs. I expect I'll get over it.

Issler

Like I said I am on the Skype channels daily. A lot of what goes on there has nothing relevant to Eve and I mostly choose not to chat. As for the internal forum channel with the exception of capitals and FW which I don't feel as qualified as others to talk about. In every other case I've provided CCP with feedback every time we've been asked. Sadly since that forum is closed you can't actually see that.

What I specifically ran on was to make sure the CCP would give mining and industry some attention going forward and as I have posted previously it is now clear that CCP has some great plans for mining and industry over the next two years. I didn't run to micromanage CCP or become a wanna-be game designer.

By the way, 2 hours a day was stated was what a "good" CSM should be doing. I am in the forums and Skype about that weekdays, weekends in the summer in Seattle, I won't commit to do that, now that the weather his will be back to not so nice I'll be back on weekends as well.

So I was never "liked" by the other CSM as was clear during the elections so these sorts of comments are exactly what I could expect. Again, not here to get back slapping woots from the other CSM members, just here to make sure miners and industrialist are getting CCP and looks to be on track.

Issler

Hello again, Poe! Just so folks remember, I've already addressed this stuff here and in a couple follow up posts.

BTW, I would really, really appreciate it if you stop bringing up that goddamn song. It takes days to get it out of my head. STOP IT!!!



Never stop posting.

You're not getting anything. Even Kelduum got a Trebor shout-out once, when I was criticising his level of input/output on the Council.

That podcast is well over four hours long. It's going to take several more commutes to work before I get through it all.

so what does that make you, since you know where the pertinent information is within that podcast?

With all due respect Issler, I think people expect more from a CSM than to sit around quietly until asked for feedback.

I do at least.

I think its clear from recent events that different people have different opinions about what the CSM should or should not be doing.

I also want to make another point, despite what has been said about my lack of activity as a CSM 7 by some of my fellow CSM 7, I think with the exception of a few MIA members that haven't been in Skype, forums or townhalls (I think a small amount of research will let you figure out who has gone missing), I am very impressed with the other CSM 7, I hope that Selene, Alek, Hans and pretty much everyone else runs again, if they want to continue to work as hard for the players as I've seen them so far, they earned another term.

I know I'll be voting for someone in the current CSM next election if they chose to run.

Issler