Player Features and Ideas Discussion

(Tl;dr version further down.)

I had been looking for a good crafting MMO for months before I found EVE and although I'm a new player, I already have two accounts. This game has a lot of similarities to good old Ultima Online and I like this kind of open-world PvP thrill as much as I like crafting stuff. The one gives meaning to the other.

I recently joined a nullsec corporation and started mining there, expecting to haul in riches in this dangerous area. My little retriever is no match for nullsec pirates and is frequently blown up. I expected that. I also expected the reward of this risky business to be appropriately large. Surprisingly, I barely earn more ISK per hour in nullsec than in highsec.

I've moved my miner back to highsec where the boring task of mining is as profitable as in nullsec but where my retriever never gets blown up. It is much less enjoyable as nothing ever happens in highsec. No excitement when local gets updated, no thrill when I try to reach the safe POS before the enemy ganking gang reaches it, nothing. Just my little click every quarter hour, which is quite boring.

Please answer this one question:
What reason do I have to return to nullsec?

I like the PvP aspect of this game very much and love the idea of a conquerable nullsec. But economically, what motivation do I have to return there?



Tl;dr Version:
Item production should consume less highsec minerals in order to reduce their worth.
Item production should consume much more nullsec minerals to increase their worth. (I see you already started this very cautiously with the new mineral requirements. But you also increased highsec mineral consumption.)
Please nerf highsec mining ISK/h so that I have an economic reason to return to the fun part of this game - insecure and exciting non-consensual PvP in nullsec. This is a game about space battles, right?

Flame on, gentlemen.

I think he's talking about being blown up by players, not belt rats.

Here's a reason to mine in nullsec: Arkonor. It's the 2nd most profitable ore type. Then there's Bistot and Crokite. And then there's Mercoxit. You can get pretty rich mining these. If you joined a nullsec corp and you still get blown up while mining then switch corps, they're doing it wrong. They should protect you while mining.

You could also trying wormholes. Same ABCM ores, no local, more dangerous, more fun.

Thanks for your ideas, but that's not what I'm talking about.
My concern is that even with the valuable ores like arconor, the ISK/h can't compete with the ISK/h of highsec mining. Yes, the 0sec ores are more valuable, but you have to deduct the cost of the logistics infrastructure from that gain and end up with earning less than in highsec.

I like that idea. Moving ice to lowsec and only lowsec would reanimate that area, too.

High sec is.fine +1 to a buff to the other secs

Removing ice from highsec is good. Hyperboxing ice mining fleets don't belong in this world

Where are these "perfectly safe" nullsec mining ops? Are they the ones which sit huddled in a pos for the entire time my pathetic lone atron is in local?

O look... another one of those threads...

I think the confusion comes from the fact that CCP doesnt actually control the prices . . . the prices are player driven.

Basically the only thing that you could do to make the prices better would be to drop some of the trit/pyerite from ships, but I dont think that is the answer.

The market will eventually take care of it self as more null sec miners move back to high sec.

Nerfing Highsec would be an idea. A good one, maybe - if done right. But not with reducing mining output there. Buffing yield in Low/Null would not help either, because more yield will decrease prices.

The nerf HS really needs is nerfing stations. 50% (40?50?) refining stations and endless ammounts of various slots for production etc is just to much compared to null.

Although I like the idea of removing ice out of HS, that would be so awesome for my wallet.. don't nerf mining output in HS, because it is bad for economy.