Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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The omen will be probably the most universal ship of the attack cruisers.

5 Heavy Pulse Laser II
Experimental 10MN Misrowarp
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
800mm reinforced Steel plates II
reactor control unit II
adative nano plating II
damage control II
heat sink II

medium ancillary current router
medium trimark armor pump
medium energy burst aerator
Plus drones 5 x hammerhead II

It will be good at medum range with ca 30% more dps than caracal with ham and superb at close (around 50% more than ham caracal at 12km). Only tank is less than caracal at probably 20% or 25%. I mean a 2 reactor control2 and 2bcu tank ham caracal.
Awesome changes.

Amarr ships should be the slowest and bulkiest. The stasis web is for range control.

It is situational. For example that frigs dont get under your guns. Or engaging something fast at plex or gate.
And at 28km you still have more firepower than a HAM caracal. Okay with less tank than the caracal but that only means they are somehow on par.
AND it is like the amarr philosophy: Slow and bulky.
Fine.

You're... joking right? That Omen only goes ~1200-1400m/s and has no way to really control range. Furthermore it's not like it's good at close range or fast enough to avoid being at close range with anything that wants to close with it. It has no cap booster or nos.

Amarr ships have two paths to being useful:
- Completely outshine everyone else in a naturally slow ship class (battleships, capitals)
- Be fast enough to actually make use of superior damage projection and kiting mechanics. (On a medium hull, this means you need to be fast and have an optimal bonus)

-Liang

Ed: You say that the amarr philosophy is to be slow and bulky, but I contend that's not really true. Consider the Executioner, Crusader, Slicer, NOmen, Zealot, and Curse. Almost every good ship is relatively fast and meant to attack from range. The Omen is both slow and doesn't have enough breathing room to make its superior projection matter.

I like how you assume you can close range with the Caracal and how the Caracal doesn't have any ewar. Furthermore, the Caracal dramatically outranges the Omen and doesn't have capacitor problems like it does. The Caracal is an infinitely better kiting ship than the Omen.

-Liang

Ed: I'm more than happy to put my money where my mouth is too. You buy 100 omens and I'll buy 100 of each of the other cruisers. We'll go 1v1 until the first of is out of ships. :)

Like I said, the Omen is super disappointing to me. It is a totally useless cruiser that doesn't stand a chance against any of the so far rebalanced cruisers and most of today's inferior cruisers.

Range control?
If you want range control you need to fly minmatar ships only. It is not all about range control.
Outranging?
Hey it will do dmg up to 28km with heavy pulse and scorch so simply warp out if you are outranged.
Ever tried to grab a HM caracal at 70km engaging range in a plex? No? So dont do it.
But you engage if it warps at zero to you and it is done.
Eve is situational. And there i am happy about the omen because it is versatile.

Take it you are not very experienced with using Heavy Pulse Dr. Sheng? Have great range and damage against large'ish or static targets, once it begins to move though you NEED to be able to move with it or the horrible tracking (for a shortrange hammer) will bite your balls off.
Zealot works somewhat due to almost having the necessary mobility and superb range, Nomen works partly due to almost having the necessary mobility but also due to normally using FocPulse rather than Heavies so tracking is better.

Now combine that with the fact that everyone you meet will be sporting at least one TD and being slow but with awesome projection/dps suddenly got you dead. These are 'attack cruisers', to be used for skirmishing .. the face-to-face crap is the domain of the coming Assault Cruisers (assuming that will be the name) Maller (gonna be awesome!), Rupture, Moa and Vexor.

Big chunk of the issue is the age old armour system where you take an insane mobility hit by buffering and with active armour being novelty at best you have Amarr sitting pretty waiting to die to all the mid-slot endowed. The value of mids compared to lows has skyrocketed in recent years (post nano nerf) ..

- Take that +1 low and make it a mid.
- Decrease mass and/or increase speed.
- Lose the horrid laser cap bonus already; swap for range, tracking, nos/neut .. anything other than the geriatric cap use really.
- Introduce the third medium pulse .. break out the gatlings dammit!

But as the kids say nowadays "whatever *pfft*" .. between the Abadonification of the Maller and the boosted Arbitrator with new TDs Amarr does not actually need any other cruiser

if you rebalance **** you should also NERF TIER3 BCS ... just sayin

So again I ask, are you guys going to change the penalties for armor rigs/plates to try and balance out the game? Or are we just going to have the same dynamic we have now with slightly different hulls?

It was stated somewhere that they were getting change this winter. I'm sure we will see it in a tread soon.