Player Features and Ideas Discussion

OK, I'm going to throw out some numbers.

This is going to be all skills lvl 5 and I'll use the 4 tier 2 bc's with their respective weapon systems, with boh t2 ammo types, and drones for the Myrmidon since that is it's specialty.

Now, one thing that will be different is I will use my proposed change to missiles.

That is,

PRECISION WILL BE LONG RANGE AND FURY WILL BE SHORT RANGE.

This is on par with how every other weapon system is balanced. Greater range means less dps.

Also, keep in mind that I'm not adding faction or t1 ammo because these will need to be balanced similar to unguided missiles, and I don't feel like doing that myself.

However, if you would like to do that, than just use unguided missiles as an example (i.e. the precentage difference between t1 and faction compared to t2 will be roughly equal)

Ok, here it goes (no other modules)

{ammo - dps @ range}

Drake
Hams II
Rage - 349 @ 18.1
Javelin - 197 @ 30.4

Hml II - (with my proposed swap in ranges)
Fury - 224 @ 42.2
Precision - 189 @ 75.9

Hurricane
425mm AC II
Hail - 417 @ 1.5+9 = 10.5
Barrage - 298 @ 3+18 = 21

720mm HA II
Quake - 294 @ 7.5 + 22 = 29.5
Tremor - 168 @ 54 + 22 = 77

Harbinger
Heavy Pulse II
Conflagration - 406 @ 7.5 + 5 = 12.5
Scorch - 290 @ 23 + 5 = 28

Heavy Beam II
Gleam - 323 @ 7.5 + 10 = 17.5
Aurora - 184 @ 54 + 10 = 64

Myrmidon
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Void - 341 @ 3.4 + 3.1 = 6.5
Null - 244 @ 6.3 + 8.8 = 15.1

250mm Railgun II
Javelin - 210 @ 9 + 15 = 24
Spike - 120 @ 65 + 15 = 80

With 5 x t2 medium drones each set gets plus 238 dps @ up to 60km with all skills lvl 5.

close range high damage
The drake has the greatest range by 5.6km to 11.6km
Has lowest dps by 230 to 57

high damage with range
Drake has greatet range by 2.4km to 15.3km
Lowest dps by 285 dps to 93 dps

(REMEMBER, THESE NEXT TWO ARE WITH MY PROPOSED SWAP TO GUIDED MISSILES)
Long range high damage
Drake has greatest range by 12.7km to 24.7km
But lowest dps by 224dps to 70 dps

Max range
Drake has 3rd greatest range being 4.1km from the top, and 11.9km from the bottom
Drake has greatest dps by 69 to 5 dps (behind by 169 @ up to 60km from myrm drones & turrets)


Now, the myrmidon shines in dps up to 60 km and has the greatest possible range @ 80km, but lowest dps at max range

The drake has the highest range until max range, but the highest dps at max range, but by substationally less dps than it is overpowered by in other ranges.

Now, when you consider my suggested change of swapping fury and precision ranges for all guided missiles, these weapon systems actually seem fairly balanced apart from hybrids on a myrm, but it makes up for it with drones.


I think this would negate the need for a range AND dps nerf to heavy missiles.

Instead, then needed nerfs could be aimed directly at the tengu and drake themselves.

Perhaps drop the drake shield recharge rate so that it can't fit a passive tank as effectively as it does.

With the tengu, drop its range bonuses, and reduce cpu and pg so that it can't fit 100mn afterburners and so that it has tochoose between dps or tank.

BOOM!!! besides balancing faction and t1 guided missiles, the drake and tengu are balanced and guided missiles become balanced in the same manner as every other weapon system.

This is wrong.

Missiles do not always hit targets for the same damage.

I will hit a stationary target harder than a moving target and I'll hit an approaching target harder than I'll hit an orbiting target.
Also, they'll hit a wmd battleship harder than a bs with no prop mod, and them less so than an afterburner bs.
Now, they'll hit a frig, but less so a frig with an afterburner, and no chance of hitting a mwd frig in orbit.

So, anyone who says missiles always hit for the same damage has either never used missiles, has no clue what they're talking about, or are making things up just to ensure a missile nerf

The HM nerf has been much needed for a long time. For all those crying over it, let's put this in perspective:

1) A Harbinger with Heavy beam laser II's using IN MF does 318 dps at 15km + 10km falloff (25km total).

2) A Hurricane with 720mm Howitzer II's using RF PP does 290 dps at 15km + 22km falloff (27km total).

3) A Brutix with 250mm railgun II's using CN antimatter does 302 dps at 18km + 15km falloff (28km total).

4) A drake with HML II's using CN scourge does 250 dps at 84.4km.

Now tell me which one of these isn't even remotely like the rest. All of these numbers are at lvl5 skills without any other mods/drones fitted and without implants. This is just the base damage on a typical damage/RoF bonused ship. Toss in the fitting requirements of these various mods and things skew more heavily in favor of HM's than they do in the above example.

I find it funny that there's all this concern that a blob of drakes is an issue, but yet a blob of hurricane now able to successfully fit arty isn't going to be a poblem???

I have been flying missile boats since '08. I have flown with heavy, torp, cruise, and have used t2 on all but rapid light.

I am well aware of their capabilities and have experienced it many times. Less so with heavy missiles but still occurs.

I flew a torp golem. Using javelin missiles I could 1 shot a cruiser and a frig approaching me using 2 target painters.

However, once they were in orbit it would take me at least 4 volleys to down a frig.

The reasoning for this is

If you fire at a target approaching you, the missile will explode in front of the target forcing it to fly into the explosion.

Now, when you fire at an orbitting target or a target moving away from you, then the missile will explode behind it, thus it's flying out of the explosion.

This has a direct impact on the damage you do to the target expecially with frigates and cruisers because their base speeds are equal to or faster than the explosion velocity of the missile fired at them.

So, it is you that should go test it.

I am 100% sure that you CANNOT hit an orbitting frig or cruiser for the same damage as an approaching frig/cruiser.

Also, mwd and afterburners have play as well, and with these modules, hitting them while aproaching is still going to be more effective than hitting them while they're running or orbitting.

TRUST ME... Go test it on some rats in the test server.

Kestrel getting 5% bonus to damage of all missiles
Carcal getting 5% bonus to ROF

You should probably read more before posting.