Jita Park Speakers Corner

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/csm7-disenchantment.html

I was a very strong supporter of CSM7. I've a number of posts either cheerleading their efforts (especially the work of Hans Jagerblitzen) or attacking those who would (unfairly) decry their efforts.

It's not that I don't still support the work they are doing, but I have soured somewhat on aspects of the CSM7 administration.

What lead to this recent disenchantment?

First, there was the Voting Reform thread (the original, not the reboot by CCP Xhagen). Except for Trebor, who had the misfortune of creating the thread, the rest of CSM7 cries innocence, that they had nothing to do with Trebor's proposals. They seek out CCP Xhagen to save them from themselves. They can tell us that they didn't spill the milk, except that we can clearly see them standing in a puddle of it.

There's little doubt in my mind that Trebor did not go rogue, that his proposal and, more importantly, the criteria for submitted proposals were not created in a vacuum. Trebor ran this by his colleagues. They told him "Looks good, go ahead and post it." It's not in Trebor's nature to do things on his own without the input and approval of his fellow representatives.

So when they try to distance themselves from the proposal, leave Trebor hanging out to dry, it smacks of nothing less than political opportunism. Word is that Trebor does not plan to run for CSM8, that this is his last term. So, if someone is going to be the fall guy, might as well be the guy with no further CSM aspirations. Super convenient that he planted that tree in the first place, it becomes super easy to hang him from it.

I'm fine with throwing people under the bus, if they're not contributing, not pulling their weight. But to throw someone under the bus for something the group agreed upon, that's kind of sickening. If CSM7 representatives had disagreements with Trebor's voting reform criteria, then he definitely would not have created the reform thread until there was that consensus. I don't even know Trebor, but it's obvious (to me) that is how he operates.

The entire voting reform debacle reminds me of a section of the CSM Report. The Crimewatch section where CCP Greyscale presents an idea for solving the gatecamp "problem." During the session, as presented in the report, a few CSM members agreed with the idea, that it seemed sound. Not a single concern or objection was voiced (not even from the lowsec candidates, who this would affect the most). It wasn't until two months later, when the players got to see what went down in that session, when player objections began appearing, that the CSM suddenly realized that, yeah, it was a bad idea.

Crimewatch and gate guns. Voting reform proposals. There's little reason to think that the CSM can even recognize a bad idea when it's presented to them. They only acknowledge an idea as bad for the game when the playerbase starts hollering, "This idea is bad for the game." The playerbase is proving to be a better CSM than the CSM itself.

Second thing that lead to my current disenchantment, was the Ripard Teg podcast on Alekseyev's Declarations of War. This entire discussion was a trainwreck. Hans, Seleene, and Aleks entered the conversation looking for a fight. Aleks was constantly on the attack, never deigning to listen to a thing Ripard had to say. Ripard had some excellent points on using the media to get messages out to a wider audience or to pressure CCP in certain areas. The CSM dismissed him out of hand. Ripard had some excellent points on how the CSM could improve their messaging. Again, his suggestions were disregarded. The CSM was blinded by it's own need to defend itself from previous attacks and accusations. They missed an opportunity to win over somebody who has a good degree of influence in the community. The CSM came out of the proceeding looking petty and self-absorbed.

Now that some **** has come down, instead of manning up, admitting mistakes, really attempting to improve, I feel they're hunkering down. Groups hugs all around whenever a bad person says something bad about any of them. They're insulating themselves with their own group-perpetuating approval loop. Recursive group-esteem boosting. "Don't listen to them Aleks. I think all your interjections and speaking-before-thinking during the Ripard podcast were a-okay! Keep on truckin', brah!"

I disenchanted a CSM once, all I got was some arcane dust.

To op

step away from the keybord and breath go outside smoke a joint av a beer go find a gf do somthing man your becoming obsessed with csm funny but kinda getting sad now

Well there is a girl on the CSM now, perhaps this is his courting ritual. He is just trying to wear them down, until they have no option but to submit and become his conjugal lover.

What I like the most about your posts is the detailed research that results in such accuracy in your claims! It really adds to your credibility.

Issler

The thread really should have just ended there.

Spamming much....