Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'd like to suggest changing the PG tweak on the hurricane from -225 to -200 or at least -210. This change allows for decent fits for all the standard cane setup variations after the patch while still preventing the use of a second medium neut. Currently with the -225 you can't fit a complete fit for arty even with max skill without rigs or implants and the RCU II. Additionally the armor fit needs a little bit extra pg to possible use a warfare link or other potential highs such as missile launchers or cap booster in the mids. Then for shield fits this change allows for all the standard variations such as dual extender as well as extender/invul.

Actually TE requires only 'Weapon Upgrades' skill, which also affects missile launchers so it's not limited to guns.

There would be no point in splitting those mods between missiles and guns if you make TDs affect both.
Either make two versions of TDs and TEs/TCs ( one for guns and one for missiles ) or stick to one.

TDs will be really op ... imagine pilgrims/curses now tackling drakes or tengus.... because they cannot hit the drones applying damage and cannot turn on hardeners because of low cap

have to stockpile some of these :)

Grats sir. Just managed to remove the last usefull Caldari ship. Why not remove the entire missiles class? (Don't tell me pls that HAM's are untouched. ) Even remove Caldari as a Empire? Because just a fool can believe this will hit just the Drake. Most hit will be the Tengu. As usual, someone up there means that "annoying" equals "improving". (don't start telling me missiles were too "easy", because it's bullshit. too easy? go fly blasters). Was lmfao a bit about the goon blob thing. Winning about not being able to fleet enuf ppl and needing a exteriour win button against that? Guy, happy hour! CCP will give ya that button.

The theory behind tracking disruption is based on the fact that it you apply it to the ship and it affects the weapon control system (aiming if you wish) causing the desired affect. Similarly with enhancing, you are affecting the ships ability to aim instant damaging weapons.

Non guided missiles feasibly could be affected, as you 'aim' the launcher and fire it like a gun, with a 'timer' to control detonation, hoping the missile is close enough to the target that when it explodes it is close enough to the intended target that the massive explosion causes the required damage. You never count on a direct hit.

With guided missiles however, you program its target and send it on it's merry way. It has an amount of fuel, an ammount of thrust and a warhead contained within, no longer tied to the launching vessel in any way.

Once it has left the ship how can it be affected by anything targetted at the launch vehicle?
It cannot affect the amount of fuel or the engines rate of burn.
It cannot affect the 'explosive type' in the warhead, ie the explosion velocity/radius.
If the flight time is 10 seconds and I launch 5 seconds before I'm TD'd, how does/can that affect the missiles in flight. Same if I launch while under TD and the missile hits target after TD has been stopped/removed.


I could affect missiles in flight if I aimed my 'disruptor' at the missile itself, or it was aimed at my ship and I had an AoE defensive system activated, protective bubble as it were. But it would only take effect when the missile entered it, this would not feasibly stack well with my neighboring ship or fleet. RThis would have the same effect on any missile I fired 'out' of my bubble.

Similar with enhancements, the targetting of guided & none guided are completely different. One is the point & shoot whilst the other carries the intelligence within a self contained unit.

The missile rigs have the right feel, name and effect, but inclusion of missiles into Tracking systems seems to have spent too little time in the think tank.

What I'm intrested in, is to see what happens when people stop making comparisations with Drakes and Ejection bay fitted Tengu's, every time I see the word OP. passing it's with a bonesed ship or configuration.

What is the difference with a Covert ops Fitted Tengu against a Loki or a Protheus.

And since it should be about bringing back ballence:

it should be both about short range ammo and long range ammo, it's all nice and well ccp wants to bring an HM in range with other Med longrange weapons, but does that leave a acceptable option on short range missiles?

Or do missile pilots end up with a long range that is mah and a short range that is all but unuasable do to fitting requirements?

I understand the need to look at the Drake and the Ejection Bay Tengu, I don't see the OP (Missiles damage wise) on any of the other configurations.

TD's seem to be still in consideration and every fear I have for the change has been said more than once.

Finaly what ever the dicision might be considering Missiles and HM specificly, could you guys wait untill the ships using them are reballanced?

Bit sour when you change the ammo specifications on ships that still need to wait a long time untill they are made ready for that specification, like the: Tengu, Drake, Cerberus, CN Caracal, Rook among others.

And finaly I'd ask if you guys will take the time to properly inform everyone, this change is going to hurt quite some casual players that you'll won't find on the forums, A side from that where possible I'd say CCP should make more use of the ingame mailing system, to anounce certain changes, but that's an other point.

Busy buing up all the harbys and tracking disruptors. At least im going to make some money from this thing.

The ship is providing the missile with the parameters it uses to guide itself on target. Disrupt the ship, all the missiles it launches have slightly wrong information. There is an inconsistency with missiles already in flight but really its fairly feeble compared with some things in eve (ships shooting through each other?) Anyway your premise on what constitutes "guided missiles" appears to be based too much in rl, in eve it plays a bit different. In eve all missiles are "guided". Unguided missiles would be completely useless. Torps, rockets and hams have basic self guiding systems (they follow a target whatever it does), lights, hmls and cruise are guided to target by the capsuleer (hence why the skill effects them) with some sort of sci fi fly by wire. It might not be what the back story or descriptions imply but it is certainly what the game mechanics imply. In game the only difference between the two types of missiles is that the "guided" missiles are slightly more accurate and have a (pretty much coincidental) longer range.

Really the whole logic behind eves weapon systems are a bit of a mess (projectiles don't necessarily travel any faster than missiles so really only lasors should be (practically) instant hit). Projectiles should also be effected by smartbombs. Really if you look at it logically its all immersion breaking wrongness, so really you should just treat it like the game (and it is an mmo not a sim) it is.

I want a B5 style interceptor grid for my Bs please, ta.

just going to stick this in here


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