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in terms of fitted ships lost per day, what do you think hi sec income shoukd cover?
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#41 - 2012-09-20 09:58:43 UTC
Was that post aimed at me or are you just ranting to yourself? I don't get it... You quoted someone else's post but only the part where he was quoting me and then you went on a rant about something irrelevant.

Anyway in response to your rant, people get shot in busy city centres in broad daylight all the time. Making it illegal and having police on patrol doesn't stop it from happening and that is how it is in Eve.

Oh god.
William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#42 - 2012-09-20 10:02:02 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
[quote=TheGunslinger42]If it was up to me, there would be NO griefing of ANY kind in Hi-Sec. No suiciding, no can flipping, no scamming - nothing. Hi-Sec isn't Hi-Sec enough IMHO. Going to Low-Sec or Null should be a concious decision, and I don't accept that the rewards in Hi-Sec should be poor just because there's less danger.


Luckily it is not up to you. That would be horrid.

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Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-09-20 10:27:04 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
posting in a stealth nerf lvl4 missions thread

You mean a stealth Nerf High-sec thread, right.

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John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#44 - 2012-09-20 10:31:15 UTC
William Walker wrote:
Luckily it is not up to you. That would be horrid.


For you perhaps. Which tells me all I need to know about you.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#45 - 2012-09-20 10:32:23 UTC  |  Edited by: John Ratcliffe
Riot Girl wrote:
Was that post aimed at me or are you just ranting to yourself? I don't get it... You quoted someone else's post but only the part where he was quoting me and then you went on a rant about something irrelevant.

Anyway in response to your rant, people get shot in busy city centres in broad daylight all the time. Making it illegal and having police on patrol doesn't stop it from happening and that is how it is in Eve.


No, it was aimed at Gunslinger and my post is relevant to his post.

In response to your 2nd paragraph, I suppose you're right, but that's not strictly the comparison I'm making.

For example, I've spent the last 11 years playing Dark Age of Camelot. 3 distinct races (or Realms). You could not attack anyone from your own race ever. You had to port to the Frontiers to fight players from opposing races. Players who just wanted to PVE could do so in their own Realm in 100% safety (Hi-Sec equiv), or they could PVE in Frontiers and get more XP/Coin, but were at risk of attack from enemy players (Low-Sec/Null equiv).

So I am used to the equiv of Hi-Sec being 100% safe which it's not on Eve.

That's where I am coming from I guess.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#46 - 2012-09-20 10:38:18 UTC
Okay, your formatting was confusing.

Oh god.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-09-20 10:39:38 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
What a stupid attitude. I really don't understand this ******** idea that Hi-Sec must be crap because it's safe. Why should they lose their ships to tard griefers who can't get their fun any other way?

A large portion of us aren't saying "hisec must be crap", we're just saying "hisec is too good right now", as is evidenced by a large portion of nullsec running L4s instead of ratting in nullsec (well, they would've been, if it hadn't been for the FW farmville we've got going now).

John Ratcliffe wrote:
If it was up to me, there would be NO griefing of ANY kind in Hi-Sec. No suiciding, no can flipping, no scamming - nothing. Hi-Sec isn't Hi-Sec enough IMHO.

Good thing it isn't up to you then, isn't it?

John Ratcliffe wrote:
Going to Low-Sec or Null should be a concious decision, and I don't accept that the rewards in Hi-Sec should be poor just because there's less danger.

There's less danger, there's less effort ... gee, I wonder why there needs to be some adjustment downwards of hisec ...

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#48 - 2012-09-20 10:43:18 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
[Good thing it isn't up to you then, isn't it?


No. It's not good at all.

Quote:
There's less danger, there's less effort ... gee, I wonder why there needs to be some adjustment downwards of hisec ...


You've got it twisted. Hi-Sec rewards are fine as it. Perhaps the rewards in Null need to be increased to reflect the risk?

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#49 - 2012-09-20 10:52:00 UTC
What if the highest rewards were in low sec instead of null sec? This way anyone who wants the best rewards will be prey to the pirates.

Oh god.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-09-20 11:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
John Ratcliffe wrote:
For you perhaps. Which tells me all I need to know about you.

I hope you're trolling. I really hope.

I don't like people calling ridiculous things like "make high sec bringing 0 isk/hour". But I don't like the idea of hisec being glorified game menu either.

If you want CCP game with consensual-only sandbox content, wait for WoD, because in EVE you express consent by installing the game. I'm not crying that people shoot me in Unreal while all I want to do is enjoy landscapes.

Riot Girl wrote:
What if the highest rewards were in low sec instead of null sec? This way anyone who wants the best rewards will be prey to the pirates.


Then lowsec will be new null for the most part. It doesn't really matter than alliances will have to bring some of their ships from actual null.

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Herr Hammer Draken
#51 - 2012-09-20 11:11:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Hammer Draken
This whole thread is stupid in the extreme. Scaming in high sec pays out 100 times as much isk as any other legal activity does. And yet not one mention about scams in this thread. Now if you propose to limit scaming in high sec then you will really see an uproar of epic proportions. Which makes this whole thread null and void IMHO.

So in the end you get what ever you can earn in high sec or low or null.
Every player in EVE has the same choice and ability to play in any of these areas.
As such nobody is being restricted or singled out or prevented from their earning power.
Markets swing and change over time. The player has to swing with the times.
Failure to do so and expecting CCP to change the game to your particular favor is just wrong.

Adapt or do not and then the failure is of your own making.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#52 - 2012-09-20 11:12:00 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
I hope you're trolling. I really hope.


Nope. The attitude of a large number of players in this game sucks. I've never known a game community like this ever.

Quote:
I don't like people calling ridiculous things like "make high sec bringing 0 isk/hour". But I don't like the idea of hisec being glorified game menu either.

If you want CCP game with consensual-only sandbox content, wait for WoD, because in EVE you express consent by installing the game. I'm not crying that people shoot me in Unreal while all I want to do is enjoy landscapes.


You're hardly comparing like with like are you?

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#53 - 2012-09-20 11:14:12 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
This whole thread is stupid in the extreme. Scaming in high sec pays out 100 times as much isk as any other legal activity does. And yet not one mention about scams in this thread. Now if you propose to limit scaming in high sec then you will really see an uproar of epic proportions. Which makes this whole thread null and void IMHO.

So in the end you get what ever you can earn in high sec or low or null.
Every player in EVE has the same choice and ability to play in any of these areas.
As such nobody is being restricted or singled out or prevented from their earning power.
Markets swing and change over time. The player has to swing with the times.
Failure to do so and expecting CCP to change the game to your particular favor is just wrong.

Adapt or do not and then the failure is of your own making.


An uproar from players who can't get cash legitimately in Hi-Sec is not something I care about. Let them move to Low/Null and scam each other stupid.

It has nothing to do with adaptation.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-09-20 11:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
John Ratcliffe wrote:
You're hardly comparing like with like are you?

Sounds ridiculous, right? Just like the idea of completely safe hisec.

John Ratcliffe wrote:
An uproar from players who can't get cash legitimately in Hi-Sec is not something I care about. Let them move to Low/Null and scam each other stupid.

It has nothing to do with adaptation.


There's nothing non-legimate about scamming. Refer to numerous CCP's commentaries.

Also, for the love of whatever, stop doubleposting at ridiculous rate Blink

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Herr Hammer Draken
#55 - 2012-09-20 11:16:24 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
This whole thread is stupid in the extreme. Scaming in high sec pays out 100 times as much isk as any other legal activity does. And yet not one mention about scams in this thread. Now if you propose to limit scaming in high sec then you will really see an uproar of epic proportions. Which makes this whole thread null and void IMHO.

So in the end you get what ever you can earn in high sec or low or null.
Every player in EVE has the same choice and ability to play in any of these areas.
As such nobody is being restricted or singled out or prevented from their earning power.
Markets swing and change over time. The player has to swing with the times.
Failure to do so and expecting CCP to change the game to your particular favor is just wrong.

Adapt or do not and then the failure is of your own making.


An uproar from players who can't get cash legitimately in Hi-Sec is not something I care about. Let them move to Low/Null and scam each other stupid.

It has nothing to do with adaptation.


And yet CCP allows scaming as a legit way to earn isk in eve. CCP supports it. So it is valid to this discussion even if you do not like it.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-09-20 11:18:46 UTC
Should earn no more then mining copper ore in the woods
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#57 - 2012-09-20 11:19:27 UTC
Scamming is legit, but it's not something CCP can regulate. There is no way for CCP to control the amount of isk someone can earn through scamming.

Oh god.
Tiger Would
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-09-20 11:21:09 UTC
They are still at it ey....

Shanty town inbreds...........they will never appreciate the true supremacy of Empire Space citizens....

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would
Herr Hammer Draken
#59 - 2012-09-20 11:22:35 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Scamming is legit, but it's not something CCP can regulate. There is no way for CCP to control the amount of isk someone can earn through scamming.


Therefore this entire thread has no legs. Why limit earnings for legit trades when they can not or will not limit earnings for scams?

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#60 - 2012-09-20 11:31:43 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
There's nothing non-legimate about scamming. Refer to numerous CCP's commentaries.


Bizarre. A developer that actually condones it's players ripping other players off, but intervenes with NPC Police if the ripped off players tries to punch the scammer in the face for being a cnut.

I think CCP need to give their head a shake...

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose