EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hello Ishi,

You can tell the different of the blueprint originals as they are a darker blue than the copies are(light blue). All BPO's(Blueprint Originals) that are un-researched can be found on the market. Copies are usually on contract as you can't sell them on the market.

You can start anywhere that you would like really. I would recommend doing some basic things like Ammo maybe small ships just so you can get the idea in what you need to do. Produce when you got enough materials to make the itmes that you want.

As for research it's always a good idea to do it as it lowers your costs in what you need and everything. As for when to start usually while you are getting minerals and ores that's the best time to do it.

I would look at your certifications under the industry tab as for skills that you want to learn. Character Sheet > Certificates > Open Certification Planner under Business and Industry look at those skills. Specifically the Production manager Basic all the way to Elite. Along with that maybe have Resource Harvester(under harvesting category) at elite too, and Common ore refiner can't hurt as well.

You will be making pennies till you start to produce some high level things and that doesn't mean that it has to be Tech 2 items. Look at your nearest market and see what is selling and what isn't and what the market needs in terms of ships and items. You will make bank if you can read the market correctly and produce enough to sell to turn a profit.

I also leave you with these two links if you haven't read it already.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Manufacturing
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Research_and_manufacturing

Hope it helps.


Edit: It will take some time for you to fully understand everything but start slow and work your way up to big things. EVE isn't something you can learn in one night.

Manufacturing is hard. I've tried it and didn't get on with it, but I'd recommend ISK: The Guide as a good "how to". Downloadable for free here:

http://www.isktheguide.com/#dwnl

IF you buy it on market, its an Original. NPC traders stock loads of these all over the place so they are easy to find.

Make sure you determine your supply of raw materials early on and use a player created spreadsheet or program to work out potential profit or loss in your region. Isk Per Hour is a good application to use. I dont have the link at work but im sure Google will help you.

Manufacturing can be satisfying, but if you are buying the raw materials straight from the market and selling straight to the marker then it is unlikely to be profitable if you have low skills and a low ME level BPO. (Especially as getting into highsec material research labs is a real pain in the ass). I find that the prices of Mexallon and the amounts needed for certain turrets and weapons a real challenge and I do wonder how anyone can make them at a profit!

Profits are reasonable if you mine the materials yourself but, as a lot of people say, time is ISK so mining is not technically free especially with the costs of a mining barge (in terms of isk and time to train)

If you do decide to go into mining, its worth getting the basic Refinery Foreman and Common Ore refiner certs, as selling the refined minerals can be quite profitable and you can squeeze a sh*t load more minerals into your hauler than unrefined Ore.

I don't know, of course 30 days of game time is worth it's ISK, but somehow, spending a couple hours online doing nothing but chatting with friends is priceless to me, even if I could have made ISK meanwhile.

Same here, I have times where all I do while logged in is chat with corp members and friends.

Point I want to make, is that own mined minerals aren't free.

Thanks all for the responses. I wanted to post here before posting anything in the Industry section to get the extreme basics hammered out which looks like everyone here easily took care of, so thank you all again for that.

I've got a friend who's corp is a young mining corp that's about to start into manufacturing and is giving us a few open POS research and factory slots, so I'll have access to those facilities. Combine this with training a Retriver first (finishes in 3 days) to accompany corp low-sec mining ops and it sounds like I've almost got a free pass on a lot of the entrance woes outside of BPOs/BPCs and transporting goods. I'll spend this early time tracking sales and production data from the areas around while I mine and train skills. I'm assembling my evemon plan from the various links in the thread so thanks for those.

I've got a few random questions left but I'll hold on to those for now as I'll probably find the answers first hand. I'll head over to the industry section unless I have some complete noob question. Thanks again people and get out there and destroy things I might produce (except my own ship)!

I disagree with that statement. This is relative to all new Citizens experience in EVE and I was going to post something similar here regarding the industrial career choices in EVE.

I've seen a lot of post answering indy questions and that's great, but nobody has addressed the real relative issue here which is that manufacturing needs to be much more streamlines for the new player experience. Infact, mining is the only real industrial choice for beginners. You can jump into mining from the first day and make profit, but manufacturing, invention, copying and R&D take much much longer to make a real profit from.

Not only do you have to wait ungodly amounts for the ingame skill points which hopefully you put into the right places, but you will be like a baby trying to play the stock market, because you're knowledge of what eve even is will still be in it's baby stages. Most people that start playing even will find out very quickly that it is very easy to make serious mistakes at the beginning. Mistakes = wasted time = wasted real life money = unhappy customers. The truth is that you're not alone in feeling overwhelmed, all professions in EVE are in the beginning and that's part of what most people love about the game, but what's frustrating is the fact that mining and combat mission running are by far the best choices and the others are just a waste of SP until you get tired of mining or mission running.If you think ships need re balancing lets take a look at the professions available as well.

I'm no sure if it's even possible to make anything else a good beginners choice, because everyone will start with little to no idea of what EVE is really about. This should be explained better right off of the bat. Hey here's the pros and cons of you career choices.
Mission running:
Pros - profitable, can learn pvp skills simultaneously, most exciting starter career, easy to understand for beginners.
Cons -Might die and lost you're ship which cost isk, but you have insurance!

Mining -
Pros - Retardedly easy to understand, can't really screw up mining. Can do this with minimal risk of loss in high sec. Can make about the same amount as mission runners with similar skill points. Can play semi AFK if you like to pauy to play semi afk which I don't, but some do, consistant, not much changes
Cons - Boring, can't pvp in a mining barge (Make mining lasers do damage!) hull mining ftw

All the other beginner career choices -
Pros - Add profit to mining and mission running,
Cons- Won't stand on their own feet like mission running and mining which you can specialize in on day 1, means training for another profession and more time before you're really even playing the game, only exlporation skills will mayapply to pvp combat, the most overly complicated things to do in the game.

Brand new to the game and interested in manufacturing? Some good advice above, but the place to start is actually in Trading skills.

The only reason you should be considering getting into manufacture is if you intend to continually manufacture and sell the finished goods on the market. Do not get into it because you think it will save you money in producing your own goods or you want to do it to for your corp mates. Worthless endevour - your needs are too small and the margins are too thin to justify the effort, just mission for 5 minutes and pay a bit extra for the things you want, a lot easier and cheaper in the long run.

So if you are getting into manufacturing for the right reason - profit. You need to be able to maximise that at the time you come to sell the goods. There is no point spending months training manufacturing skills just to sit on the finished goods while you then train the trading skills. Train the trading skills now and then experiment with them, you can actually make more money trading and do it while training the manufacturing skills. With experience you will identify items that can be manufactured for profit and better tailor what you need to train to do that.

Trading is a career in itself, it will takes some weeks of training to maximise the profit and months to gain the experience. By then you may have decided to go another route, but trading will never be wasted and manufacturing skills build on them.

i am a bit of a manufacturer ( iam a do it all char more than anything)
what you need to check first is it worth the money and effort you can do that by figuring how much profit you are going to make by producing somthing

ie sell price (buy orders vs sell orders) vs matts price . some things are just not profitable . they sell but they arnt profitable
you also need to take into acount moving avg ( basically sales that where done for this product for a given time)

overall manufacturing is a verry complex "profession" that requires lots of foretought into very deep details .

now will you buy the minerals or just mine them . (go into low sec ? )

etc ...

in the forethought you also need to evaluate the cost and therefore need to know about the manufacturing chain from mining ore to selling the thing and also it requires market knowledge .

now you can focus on one of the things but its still important to know the process so your stuff is priced right .