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CCP's Plan for WiS: Another 18th Month Dev Cycle

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#21 - 2012-09-19 03:46:35 UTC
If troll.... 1/10

If serious.........biomass

...

Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#22 - 2012-09-19 03:50:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Malice Redeemer
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Op is a horrible troll and should be ashamed of himself.


I suggest that he is not a troll, but is actually insane
loki energon
Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club
#23 - 2012-09-19 03:56:24 UTC
i think your tinfoil hat has a hole in it..........

kill em all.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#24 - 2012-09-19 04:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
stoicfaux wrote:
Aziesta wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Possible Side Effects
a) Fewer NPCs in missions, less bounties, reduction in ISK faucet.
b) Deadspace market for tanking mods spikes and then crashes hard. CBMRs are initially desperate to buy perma-tanking modules until they realize that they're not needed (see ASBs.)
c) Mission running bots get hit hard. Harder to bot for the short term until the PvP AI scripts are written.
d) T2 market takes off. Lots of people unwilling to risk faction/deadspace gank/tank mods until eve-survival is updated.
e) Chribba adds a few servers to the eve-survival cluster.
f) Tears become harder to harvest since everyone is PvP fit.
g) The calls to make low-sec more useful increase.

Ignoring for a second the questionable logic used to arrive at this list, point to the entry you think is a bad idea?

Why would I think any of them are bad? Well, "e" might be bad for Chribba.

More importantly, did you hear "WiS is coming!" and automatically assume a negative viewpoint was warranted? I for one, would be impressed if this really was CCP's plan. It would imply that they have some serious long term goals, that they prefer gradual change as opposed to rapid, harsh change, and that they potentially have leadership to push it through.


I could live with that plan as well. More fun for the players not only being the end result, but reinforced every step of the way.

The couple of frigates that have been balanced have revitalized combat in both FW and Red vs Blue (among others)... the changes coming with the next release alone will make it almost a new game for many.

It's very, very nice to hear "frigate fleet inbound" and not be able to predict exactly what the make up will be before you lay eyes on them. When the bulk of the ships are completed combat in EVE will enter a renaissance period it hasn't seen since the early, misty days before dirt was invented.

The Heavy Missile nerf (and buffs that are inbound) are all part and parcel of that rebalancing... and long overdue.

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Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-09-19 05:00:20 UTC
Welcome to the darkside, stoicfaux.
Anslo
Scope Works
#26 - 2012-09-19 14:04:30 UTC
I hope that happens. I want my bar monopoly in Gallente Space! X

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Ghazu
#27 - 2012-09-19 16:45:03 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I hope that happens. I want my bar monopoly in Gallente Space! X

christ how many times does it need to be repeated that a bunch of dressed up dudes emoting each other in ramrod pretend-bar is not gameplay just downright unseemly.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Anslo
Scope Works
#28 - 2012-09-19 16:57:07 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I hope that happens. I want my bar monopoly in Gallente Space! X

christ how many times does it need to be repeated that a bunch of dressed up dudes emoting each other in ramrod pretend-bar is not gameplay just downright unseemly.


If it makes me passive isk, why do I care? Also post with your main.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#29 - 2012-09-19 19:16:24 UTC
Well, its good to see drake prices will be plummeting.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Ghazu
#30 - 2012-09-20 05:20:14 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I hope that happens. I want my bar monopoly in Gallente Space! X

christ how many times does it need to be repeated that a bunch of dressed up dudes emoting each other in ramrod pretend-bar is not gameplay just downright unseemly.


If it makes me passive isk, why do I care? Also post with your main.

I know stupidity happens in eve but how does one make passive isk from emoting? Please inform me.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-09-20 05:54:51 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Don't forget the 10% decrease in heavy pulses.

In other words, this nerf to missiles will hardly affect me (other than the fact that I've been spending a good amount of time training for a tengu for the sole purpose of PvE), I'll just get to use a laser legion with a bit more "oomph" in the fit now...

And I'll also welcome WiS if it comes. Dust beta players are convinced that WiS is going to come with the release of Dust.

I'm not kidding. They act like they have some secret source that I don't saying that WiS is not abandoned for the most part like many Eve players think it is.


Because the devs said it was?
Ghazu
#32 - 2012-09-20 06:06:33 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Don't forget the 10% decrease in heavy pulses.

In other words, this nerf to missiles will hardly affect me (other than the fact that I've been spending a good amount of time training for a tengu for the sole purpose of PvE), I'll just get to use a laser legion with a bit more "oomph" in the fit now...

And I'll also welcome WiS if it comes. Dust beta players are convinced that WiS is going to come with the release of Dust.

I'm not kidding. They act like they have some secret source that I don't saying that WiS is not abandoned for the most part like many Eve players think it is.

What about damage type? they really should buff HAMs.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#33 - 2012-09-20 06:07:43 UTC
Op is a known troll and his post here is terribad.

Flamespar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-09-20 06:20:13 UTC
Bored. So decided to let you all know.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#35 - 2012-09-20 06:26:01 UTC
I guess that the fact that anit-WiSers have posted way before i bother myself to do so, means quite a bit on what do i think...

I don't think the OP is right but can't tell wether he's trolling or just a bit crazy. Provided that CCP is not saying nor doing anything WiS, anything could go the same...

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Flamespar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-09-20 06:26:43 UTC
Omg. I got liked.

This will reinforce my disinterested behaviour.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2012-09-20 06:39:36 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
For those who haven't noticed, CCP is overhauling Heavy Missiles and changing TDs, TCs, and TEs to affect missiles.

This is but one step in an overarching plan to enable work on WiS again (but without the rioting.)

CCP's plan is to slowly change Mission Running to require more PvP oriented fits in order to get more carebears into PvP! Players thus generate their own content and the PvE dev resources are then shifted to finishing WiS... This time *everyone* is too busy PvP'ing to notice the lack of updates over the next 18 month WiS dev cycle.

Proof:
0) Carebear Mission Runners (CBMRs for short) are predominately missile focused and run missions in Caldari space.

1) CCP fixed NPC ECM to actually work properly. This forces folks to fit ECCM since "everyone" runs missions in Caldari space against Guristas, i.e. get CBMRs used to the idea of fitting modules that don't center around tank/gank.

2) CCP introduced the ASBs. They provide such a huge shield boost so that CBMRs will want to use them and get used to the idea of cap boosting, buffers, and picking the time and place to shield boost instead of just perma-tanking with a Gist-X XL or Pithum-A MSB.

3.1) CCP is nerfing HMLs. CCP is just saying, "Stop using missiles! They're not that great in PvP or PvE! Train guns so you'll be ready for PvP-esque missions that are coming next year, you dolts!"

3.2) CCP is buffing TDs (which buffs NPCs that use TDs.) Just another attempt to get missile CBMRs to consider fitting TCs instead of another tanking module as a step on the road to PvP fittings.

edit:
3.3) CCP nerfs Heavy Missiles due to their popularity in PvE and as a means of encouraging more active maneuvering during missions, i.e. get in range or switch to guns (and battleships) and learn how to manage tracking.

4) CCP is overhauling the ship lines to ensure that *all* ships have a PvP role. This is a content rush by CCP that should keep the players busy for a couple of years trying to optimize for PvP before the players get bored and want new ships, modules, content, nerfs, buffs, tears, and whining.


The Future:
5) CCP buffs NPC target painters. Officially, TPs get buffed to avoid making them mostly obsoleted by TCs and TEs. The Reality is that missions in Minmatar space become much harder as Angel TPs allow Angels to do more DPS to player ships.

6) CCP buffs sensor dampers. Officially, Sensor Dampers get buffed because the other e-war is so much better now. The Reality is that missions in Gallente space become much more difficult and tedious.

7) PvP-esque Missions. Missions now have dramatically fewer NPCs, but the few that remain are tougher and require PvP fits (but without the need to buffer tank, see ASBs.)

8.1) Sleeper AI in missions. Requires PvP fittings, buffer tanks, spider tanking, etc..

8.2) Level 4s require groups to complete (i.e. spider tanking, logistics.) Level 3s remain for the solo MMO player.

9) Moar PvP! Now that most CBMRs are now PvP fitted and "trained" in PvP basics, Faction Warfare and null-sec see a boost in numbers. Low-sec sees an initial population boost until low-sec people realize that *everyone* in low-sec shoots back now.

10) Profit! (for CCP)

11) Players generate more of their own content, aka "Emergent Gameplay(tm)". PvP'ers are busy blowing up ships. Industrialists are busy making ships. Miners are busy mining minerals. The Goons are like, "Excuse me! We're still the center of the Eve universe! Pay attention to us moar!"

12) The majority of developers are re-allocated to work on WiS. A core team remains to implement tweaks and buffs plus the occasional over-zealous hatchet job to keep the players distracted.

13) WiS enjoys an 18 month dev cycle before the players realize that they've been too busy HAVING FUN to notice the lack of content updates.

Possible Side Effects
a) Fewer NPCs in missions, less bounties, reduction in ISK faucet.
b) Deadspace market for tanking mods spikes and then crashes hard. CBMRs are initially desperate to buy perma-tanking modules until they realize that they're not needed (see ASBs.)
c) Mission running bots get hit hard. Harder to bot for the short term until the PvP AI scripts are written.
d) T2 market takes off. Lots of people unwilling to risk faction/deadspace gank/tank mods until eve-survival is updated.
e) Chribba adds a few servers to the eve-survival cluster.
f) Tears become harder to harvest since everyone is PvP fit.
g) The calls to make low-sec more useful increase.


tl;dr - The missile changes are all part of a Plan(tm) to work on WiS again.


Sadly that sounds too good to be true. You are quite an optimistic one, are ya?

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-09-20 09:23:21 UTC
Well, he has a point but it's not like it matters anyway.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-09-20 13:20:39 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Well, he has a point but it's not like it matters anyway.

No point other than trolling, or his own fevered imagination...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

stoicfaux
#40 - 2012-09-20 13:47:37 UTC
Selinate wrote:

And I'll also welcome WiS if it comes. Dust beta players are convinced that WiS is going to come with the release of Dust.

I'm not kidding. They act like they have some secret source that I don't saying that WiS is not abandoned for the most part like many Eve players think it is.


WiS on PS3?

That's brilliant! DUST has avatars, environments, hopefully it has emotes, etc.. I could definitely see a proto-WiS, WiS-Lite, or WiS-technology demo being done on the PS3 and the resources being eventually migrated over to the PC.

And just to create some PR, I could even see a PC client being used to control an avatar on the PS3. It's not a practical game mechanic, but it would re-emphasize the interaction possible between the console and PC worlds.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

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