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Dracko Malus
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#41 - 2011-10-11 10:11:09 UTC
Damagora wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Lets see you sweat at a Custom Station for pick up and 3 'Canes uncloak.

THERE is your damned risk.........................



Cloaking canes?

Only in Science and industry Lol



Confirming that is an excellent idea... if you have half a brain you will be doing your PI pickup in the fastest Covert Transport you can fit. Which can have an align time of about 2.8seconds. Now paste that time on the wall and consider a "Cloaking Cane"

Okay, lets guess that the "Improved Cloaking Device II" would be used.
Quote:
Improved Cloaking Device II
Speed penalty: -75%
Sensor Recalibration: 20 seconds
Scan Resolution Bonus: -40% (basically makes you target slower)


Using this with Cloaking 5 (yeah right.. a ganker would train that..??) that reduces sensor recalibration time by 50% (or 10% per level).. the Cane's still have a minimum 10second delay before they can start targeting. And due to the negative scan res bonus, they'll take a few seconds to target you as well.. Meaning that you can easily get out before they can get a lock on you..

On the other hand, if there is a CovOps frig.. he just might be able to lock and point..
But a simple smart tactic can be used..

- open your cargo
- approach the customs office and stay out of 2000 range
- align to your safespot and make sure you "brush" into the 2000 range..
- open office and drag your good to your hold just after you've hit warp..

You've never been visible to the gankers apart from them seeing you warp off.. which if you did the aligning right.. should happened within a second. Which is too short for anyone to target you and point.

Tess La'Coil's loveslave.
Rhianna Ghost
Ghost Industries Inc.
#42 - 2011-10-11 10:11:56 UTC
Damagora wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Lets see you sweat at a Custom Station for pick up and 3 'Canes uncloak.

THERE is your damned risk.........................



Cloaking canes?

Only in Science and industry Lol




Oh, they waited for him for about a week there.
Salvia Olima
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-10-12 13:31:39 UTC
Want to make profit with PI? Use highsec for installing reaction-planets only, and harvest P2 in nullsec-planets (you WILL need a pos, preferably at a good moon), producing materials that have high market turnaround and relatively stable price (pos-fuels). Also, there is the niche market that fluctuates, like polyaramid, but it can be rewarding if you sell your batch in the right time. It is just a bit more risky. Just my two cents.
Salvia Olima
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2011-10-12 13:31:51 UTC
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Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#45 - 2011-10-13 20:45:41 UTC
I can't stand to see people who think that running missions has no risk to it...

I can't believe the people who think that there is a lot of risk in PI...

Do people even understand the mechanics to this game before they post.

High-Sec PI can be done at any stage in the P0-P4 Production line and make people quite a bit of money.

If I had the Money and knew the market would be stable I can turn 10billion ISK into 1.8 Billion ISK profit Per month. or every month turn 10billion ISK into 11.8 billion ISK at the end of 30 days. <_<

That's nearly 20% profit margin. How can I do this... look at the market run the numbers yourself and figure it out.

If you don't believe me and you have run the numbers then i might let you in on a secret project that I have been working on that helps me find these numbers. I've tested it out and it's possible.

It shows me the profits that can be made given an end project that I want.

Right now I'm making 100mil isk per month of just one planet in high sec.
Dietrich VonMirat
Mirat Transtellar
#46 - 2011-10-13 22:08:03 UTC
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
High-Sec PI can be done at any stage in the P0-P4 Production line and make people quite a bit of money.

If I had the Money and knew the market would be stable I can turn 10billion ISK into 1.8 Billion ISK profit Per month. or every month turn 10billion ISK into 11.8 billion ISK at the end of 30 days. <_<

That's nearly 20% profit margin. How can I do this... look at the market run the numbers yourself and figure it out.

If you don't believe me and you have run the numbers then i might let you in on a secret project that I have been working on that helps me find these numbers. I've tested it out and it's possible.

It shows me the profits that can be made given an end project that I want.

Right now I'm making 100mil isk per month of just one planet in high sec.


So the purpose of your thread is that you are making too much money on PI?

Every character in the game can do it. I fail to see how an activity which is universal can be "OP," especially when 90% of the profit margin is dependent upon smart trading.

I'm not sure you have a point at all, I think you just wanted your own forum thread to argue in.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#47 - 2011-10-13 23:12:31 UTC
Mirak Nijoba wrote:

High-Sec PI can be done at any stage in the P0-P4 Production line and make people quite a bit of money.
Right now I'm making 100mil isk per month of just one planet in high sec.


A FLAT-OUT LIE......and that amount is a Pittance.

Again. THIS thread is utterly pointless and absurd.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2011-10-14 17:40:26 UTC
I'm making about 100-150mil/month with just this char and I'm only lvl4 for upgrades and only have 5 high sec planets. Only problem is I need to refill EVERY DAY.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2011-10-14 17:50:42 UTC
Malkuth Delapounti wrote:
Ah dude If you can make that much ISK in HIGH SEC With PI then your amazing.

And No you can't. LOL.


u can if u do pi in low/null sec but not in high sec

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Cassina Lemour
Staner Industries
#50 - 2011-10-14 18:18:23 UTC

PI is just borked.

It was 'sold' as a way for newbies to make some ISK, but the only source of profit in the production chain is 0.0 extraction.

The production side is unprofitable because the logistics make it easier to haul higher tier stuff. Evil
Comrade Sesk
Kitsune Holdings Inc.
#51 - 2011-10-14 18:40:14 UTC
Can't say you can't make that kind of money in 0.0 with 2 characters with perfect PI skills, but remember that undocking in an industrial and warping to a celestial is pure suicide in 0.0. (Since it's so freaking obvious, why would anyone warp off to a planet in a industrial)

And then you need to setup the logistics to move that PI crap out of there. Your 400m of worth of goods need a jump freighter (70-80,000m3). Unless you wanna burn your fuel and cynos jumping that crap out in a carrier.
Mal Mandrake
Space Goat Likes it Rough
#52 - 2011-10-16 00:02:18 UTC
It appears that you have forgotten about Dust514? The whole point of that game will be for us Eve players to contract PS3 Dust players to take out PI .

The reason why PI is so safe right now is because CCP is depending on us to provide them with a population of planets to run Dust with.

So... PI is safe right now, but be prepared to pay for security later.

Mal Mandrake
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#53 - 2011-10-16 05:28:17 UTC
Cassina Lemour wrote:

PI is just borked.

It was 'sold' as a way for newbies to make some ISK, but the only source of profit in the production chain is 0.0 extraction.

The production side is unprofitable because the logistics make it easier to haul higher tier stuff. Evil


New players, with less then a week of training, can setup 5 harvest planets in hi-sec that pay for themselves in about 7-10 days. After which, those planets give them product each week that can be hauled to market and sold for ISK. The only ongoing cost that they have to deal with is export taxes and the time spent (nobody needs to move ECUs around in 90% of the cases, it's a waste of ISK over the long term).

No, hi-sec PI harvest planets do not generate a lot of ISK , but for a new player that 60-100M ISK per month for those 5 planets goes a long ways. And if they're smart about it, they can make closer to 120M per month with just 5 planets for not a lot of work. Later on, as they build their capital reserves, they can get into P2/P3/P4 production worlds (all of which make a profit, as long as you pay attention).

Remember, new players get big eyes when you say something costs 5M ISK. That's still a lot of money to a player with less then 2 months in-game.
Umamasyean
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2011-10-18 10:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Umamasyean
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Cassina Lemour wrote:

PI is just borked.

It was 'sold' as a way for newbies to make some ISK, but the only source of profit in the production chain is 0.0 extraction.

The production side is unprofitable because the logistics make it easier to haul higher tier stuff. Evil


New players, with less then a week of training, can setup 5 harvest planets in hi-sec that pay for themselves in about 7-10 days. After which, those planets give them product each week that can be hauled to market and sold for ISK. The only ongoing cost that they have to deal with is export taxes and the time spent (nobody needs to move ECUs around in 90% of the cases, it's a waste of ISK over the long term).

No, hi-sec PI harvest planets do not generate a lot of ISK , but for a new player that 60-100M ISK per month for those 5 planets goes a long ways. And if they're smart about it, they can make closer to 120M per month with just 5 planets for not a lot of work. Later on, as they build their capital reserves, they can get into P2/P3/P4 production worlds (all of which make a profit, as long as you pay attention).

Remember, new players get big eyes when you say something costs 5M ISK. That's still a lot of money to a player with less then 2 months in-game.


Yeah, I think this is very true. I see a lot of posts about "0.0" and "jita trading with 10 billion seed money" etc. But that's kind of off topic and doesn't compare. I mean, is PI "overpowered" because someone who starts playing and is good at Farmville (or EVEVille Blink) can make 400 mil per month? I suppose if you log onto FarmVille a lot and maintain it enough, you will get a pretty impressive farm, right? But the same can be said about leveling to L4 missioning and maybe you will get some crap payout in the beginning, but when you are super battleship ready...that 2 bill a month is 4 times PI with 3 characters...And you didn't have to divide your training. Are L4 missions "overpowered"?

So, hey, maybe PI is a good way for noobs (in HIGH SEC!) to make some decent ISK, but it doesn't sound to me that it's overpowered since it has a cap.
Umamasyean
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2011-10-18 10:54:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Umamasyean
Umamasyean wrote:
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Cassina Lemour wrote:

PI is just borked.

It was 'sold' as a way for newbies to make some ISK, but the only source of profit in the production chain is 0.0 extraction.

The production side is unprofitable because the logistics make it easier to haul higher tier stuff. Evil


New players, with less then a week of training, can setup 5 harvest planets in hi-sec that pay for themselves in about 7-10 days. After which, those planets give them product each week that can be hauled to market and sold for ISK. The only ongoing cost that they have to deal with is export taxes and the time spent (nobody needs to move ECUs around in 90% of the cases, it's a waste of ISK over the long term).

No, hi-sec PI harvest planets do not generate a lot of ISK , but for a new player that 60-100M ISK per month for those 5 planets goes a long ways. And if they're smart about it, they can make closer to 120M per month with just 5 planets for not a lot of work. Later on, as they build their capital reserves, they can get into P2/P3/P4 production worlds (all of which make a profit, as long as you pay attention).

Remember, new players get big eyes when you say something costs 5M ISK. That's still a lot of money to a player with less then 2 months in-game.


Yeah, I think this is very true. I see a lot of posts about "0.0" and "jita trading with 10 billion seed money" etc. But that's kind of off topic and doesn't compare. I mean, is PI "overpowered" because someone who starts playing and is good at Farmville (or EVEVille Blink) can make 400 mil per month? I suppose if you log onto FarmVille a lot and maintain it enough, you will get a pretty impressive farm, right? But the same can be said about leveling to L4 missioning and maybe you will get some crap payout in the beginning, but when you are super battleship ready...that 2 bill a month is 5 times PI with 3 characters...And you didn't have to divide your training. Are L4 missions "overpowered"?

So, hey, maybe PI is a good way for noobs (in HIGH SEC!) to make some decent ISK, but it doesn't sound to me that it's overpowered since it has a quick ceiling.
Gravitas Moque
Independent Trade and Exploration Corporation
#56 - 2011-10-24 12:50:23 UTC
as a returning player (been away a couple of years, previously played for about a year or so), PI seems like a reasonable way of making some much needed isk whilst I get back into the swing of things again.

I have a couple of ships and various items spread all over the place since I was last here, the costs of buying a decent ship, fitting it out properly are beyond me at the moment.

I can run missions, but my rep seems to be pretty low, so I wont be getting into high-payment missions for a while.

I figure, some PI, whilst I'm building up rep running low level missions will start to create a healthy bank balance to allow me to go have fun elsewhere.

I don't think I ever had more than 150mil, whatever I made went on ships, fittings etc, but then I'm only a casual player (maybe an hour or two per day at most, and only 4 or 5 days per week).
Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
#57 - 2011-10-24 16:40:24 UTC
Gravitas Moque wrote:
as a returning player (been away a couple of years, previously played for about a year or so), PI seems like a reasonable way of making some much needed isk whilst I get back into the swing of things again.

I have a couple of ships and various items spread all over the place since I was last here, the costs of buying a decent ship, fitting it out properly are beyond me at the moment.

I can run missions, but my rep seems to be pretty low, so I wont be getting into high-payment missions for a while.

I figure, some PI, whilst I'm building up rep running low level missions will start to create a healthy bank balance to allow me to go have fun elsewhere.

I don't think I ever had more than 150mil, whatever I made went on ships, fittings etc, but then I'm only a casual player (maybe an hour or two per day at most, and only 4 or 5 days per week).


It's a Decent Source of Income. Especially with the amount of work that is done to maintain / earn this income.

It's easier than going out mining. ^_^
Page Starcaster
Blue Angels Mining Company
#58 - 2011-10-24 21:06:34 UTC
I have three accounts,
I run PI on only the main toon on each account,
I run extractors at 26-28 hour cycles requiring me to log in to each toon for about 5 minutes each day,
I extract all my P0 myself and buy nothing.
I make all the P2 and P3 used for POS fuel,
I haul to Jita or where ever the best price is once per week which takes me about 2 hours of game time to gather everything up together and haul it.
I make about 400-600 mil a month from high sec PI requiring only about 2.5-3 hours time invested per week on three toons, which could be done with one account if you trained up all your alts.

PI can make loads of isk. the more time you invest the more isk you can make. even in high sec.
Belrend Coregaul
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2011-10-25 03:12:47 UTC
Mirak Nijoba wrote:
I know that I'm fairly new to the Whole PI Skill but from what I've learned. You can Plex an acct with just 1 or 2 characters learning the right skill set.

If I can stand to make 400mil ISK per month with 2 characters doing PI with minimal worry about losing anything, just by being in High Sec Space doesn't that mean that it's a little OP in it's current state.

I feel that there should be a way to PVP with the PI Skill and it should be out soon.

Anyone else have thoughts on this.

I know that they are looking into it but it's not out yet and i'm just curious if anyone else feels the same about this.



Or fly a battleship and join incursion fleets to make 1bil/day which can plex 10ish account a month and still afford to replace their 900mil isk boat with faction fits..

Hmm hmm.. No thanks, up the income from PI and Ore please. Kthnxbye
pussnheels
Viziam
#60 - 2011-10-25 07:35:30 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
i don't think the Op realize that if you want to make 400 mil plus from pi in high sec it is relative alot of work, that is if you are using your 2 alts aswell for pi
Pi might look easy but don(t forget that for max output you need to tend to your extractor planets on a daily base, emptying them , bringing those goods to your factory planets which in my case i need to be fed every day with materials and i am doing this with 3 accounts

And as every one else i have all my extractor planets or what ever you call them in low sec , yes there is a risk but it is a relative small one , even using a normal t1 hauler it is relative small i think , you just need to find the right low sec area , most of it is actually a wasteland where you can fly around for hours without meeting anyone

So sure you can earn 400 mil per month but it needs much more work and planning than you think

i will however dread the day when other people who have no use or just want to grief can lock me out of those lowsec planets

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire