Warfare & Tactics

Have you seen the speed of the Thorax ? Have you seen it's fourth med slot ? This ship will be *very* fast and you will be able to shield tank it to not be slower. And have you heard about lighter web drones ? A flight a 5 Valyries SW600 will slow down yout ennemy by at least 30% ! And as they go to 2500m/s with max skills, they will catch any cruiser, no matter what it does. And if you cannot catch a 30% webbed target, there's nothing to do to help you.

Just ask them. Maybe they don't need them ?
PS : and why don't *you* try these drones, so that you will have arguments about why and how we should buff them ?

If you have nothing constructive to add to this post, then don't bother. If you find the OP to be too basic than don't respond. No need to be snarky. I'm still interested in hearing other people's thoughts on what I'm suggesting.

I've been using rail thorax since the hybrid buff. It was already good. With tracking bonus and 4th mid and speed boost it's going to be insane. And to think people used to make fun. ;)

As I said in that thread, looks like they are shifting Gallente to be shield or armor tankers, kind of like minmatar. Instead of just intended as armor now (though we shield tank many anyway). The new thorax is going to be great with options either way. Dual prop, or dual web or dual rep + full tackle armor, or neutron shield null blaster ship with a decent tank and gank. And did I mention the tracking bonus? If they follow the Rax and add another midslot to the Brutix, it will be fracking nasty.

The only thing that concerns me is that this suggests that active armor might not be getting tweaked soon...

Hopefully CCP now understands that Slow armor ships with the shortest range weapon system is bad.

How I view it Gallente could be like minmatar where you have ships that armor tank and then ships that shield tank.

I do wish CCP stops giving gallente more structure and instead more armor and shield instead.

This is ensure there are an equal number of shield ships and equal number of armor ships.

Here's my field on gallente ships should be:

Drone Boats = Armored Ships

Blaster Boats = Shield Ships

The new webbing drones suck due to stacking penalties.

If you want drones fly a Vexor

Glad some of you noticed what the proposed Thorax is. I alluded to it in the thread where these changes were annnounce, but I might as well go further. Yes! The new Thorax is indeed a Stabber fleet issues with more tracking. You could shield fit it, but why would you? There's something called signature tanking and because medium turrets cannot track cruisers without being effected by a ship bonus. A dual propulsion stabber fleet issue or the proposed Thorax can abuse the tracking of a shield-hurricane and sustain next to know damage from it's turrets (neuts will still f*uck you though).

I hope they give the Rupture a forth mid slot or else Thorax and possible a Vexor with increased velocity and 3 mids alone will own any other cruiser under warp scrambler/web range.

With that said. If CCP gave the vexor another mid slot, then It will be king under 10k.

Also the caracal will become a demon. The nano drake of t1 cruisers without the silly tank, but still.

Anyway, the Thorax's real strength will be with dual propulsion. Which would make it an above class ship killer. All battlcruisers, hacs and cruisers without a tracking bonus, 2 med neuts or web on thier ship will be it's prey. Example: ferox, prophecy, cyclone, vagabond, cynabal etc.

These changes may mean that the Caracal and Omen will dominate nanoing and the Thorax and Vexor will dominate close range. Leaving the Rupture as the odd man out... Sad day if it comes to past and I'm hoping the Rupture gets a 4th mid slot = (

Edit: also if you believe those light drones will help you against the new omen hull in a shield thorax you are mistaken. Use a shield Harbinger against a shield Brutix and figure out the rest.

You're still missing the point. They're mostly useless and a total waste of 5 medium drones. If you can catch someone because of web drones, you probably could have caught him anyways. Valks only have a 2000 m/s base velocity and their EHP is bad enough that most ships will be able to one shot them. Even their sig radius is huge at 110m.

BOOST THAT RUPTURE BABY. Also, the Bellicose is going to be interesting. Mind you, I've flown it solo way back when (2 years ago?) and had alot of fun with it. The bellicose will be on par with the Caracal it would seem.

You still can armor tank the thorax, it will just be ineffective due to balance issue between armor and shield tank, balance issues which will be fixed soon(TM).

As for the valkyriesSW600, with skills they go to 2500m/s, and very few cruisers go beyond this speed. And in point range engagement, the velocity difference mean you will have something like 5s at best to lock the drones and kill them, or they will web you. By the time you kill them all, you will be caught. The problem is that they are a one fight weapon in this case, but there must be a way to dispose of them, or kiting would die.

Kiting is the natural counter to blasters, so its normal to feel vulnerable to it in, a blaster boat. But as some have said, there is an alternative : rail thorax.