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Only Gallente and some Amarr ships should have drones
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Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-09-20 01:03:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashera Yune
It disappoints me that CCP keeps giving drones to many non-Gallente ships. Drones are supposed to be a gallente specialty.

Minmatar can track smaller ships fine with autocannons and Caldari ships can hit frigates with missiles.

Amarr were the first to pioneer the use of drones, the Gallente were the ones to improve on it.

This will make Gallente the preferred in certain aspect compared to other races.

The only exceptions to this rule are Carriers and Supercarriers.

Remove drones from all minmatar and caldari ships and some amarr ships.

This will make Gallente more unique.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."

 Kahlil Gibran
Marcus Gideon
Triglavian Assembly
#2 - 2012-09-20 01:10:06 UTC
Amarr = Lasers
Caldari = Missiles
Gallente = Hybrids
Minmatar = Projectiles

Drones are just additional damage. I'll admit, Caldari also use Hybrids, which takes away some of their flair. But a few ships from the other races also use missiles.

In general, it seems the races aren't ready to dedicate completely and totally to a single weapon system.
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#3 - 2012-09-20 02:44:44 UTC
Gallente have dedicated drone carriers (Capital Ships not included)

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-09-20 03:23:12 UTC
FireT
Venom Pointe Industries
#5 - 2012-09-20 03:27:00 UTC
I doubt any faction, fictitious or real, would ever single track their entire military into a single weapon style. But I do agree that there should be more 'uniqueness' to each faction.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-09-20 03:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Cedo Nulli
FireT wrote:
I doubt any faction, fictitious or real, would ever single track their entire military into a single weapon style. But I do agree that there should be more 'uniqueness' to each faction.



I think winmatar is pretty unique with its awesomeness of having no real drawbacks or weaknesses.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2012-09-20 04:00:36 UTC
By this logic, all Amarr turret slots should be limited to lasers, all Caldari missile slots limited to guided missile launchers, etc.

Drones on all larger ships as point defense makes sense. We don't want every BS in the game to have to downgrade guns to deal with smaller ships (and no, ACs can't hit smaller targets without problems and no, missiles can't do anything reasonable to small/fast targets... yet).

Drones provide a needed mechanism to supplement the abilities of larger ships to deal with smaller targets; this is intended and needed. The fact that they also act as a main weapon system for some Gallente and a few Amarr ships is actually the fluke here, but I think a rather fortunate one.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-09-20 05:42:42 UTC
OP probably refers to the fact that announced changes to (mostly) frigs make it so that this winter everyone and their moms will have huge (comparatively) drone bays. 20m3 of drones for a frig will be nothing to write home about.

I don't really mind it as long as it works though.

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Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#9 - 2012-09-20 06:41:42 UTC
Marcus Gideon wrote:

Amarr = Lasers (OR missiles) / Drones
Caldari = Missiles / Hybrids (drones tertiary)
Gallente = Hybrids / Drones
Minmatar = Projectiles / Missiles (drones tertiary)

Drones are just additional damage. I'll admit, Caldari also use Hybrids, which takes away some of their flair. But a few ships from the other races also use missiles.

In general, it seems the races aren't ready to dedicate completely and totally to a single weapon system.



Fixed. All 4 races have a primary and secondary for their basic types. Gallente and Amarr get drone boats. Caldari gets Gun boats. Minmitar... well.. cross weapon ships can be effective, if a bit odd in layout, but hey, projectiles make up for it. ;)

P.S.: Amarr oddly also has a 3rd path with a few missile based boats.


There is nothing wrong with other races having drones. I do feel however that Gallente / Minmatar should never have drone bonus on ships, and there should be more boats for Gallente in particular, but Amarr as well that have a little more drone bonus for flavor (even if its just 1 bonus, like speed, or tracking, etc).

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2012-09-20 11:02:08 UTC
There is solid and simple logic behind Gal and Amarr having drones:

Both have situational weapons with limited damage types. Drones improve their damage application and expand damage types.

Minmatar and Caldari have better damage projection and no dmg type limitations, and thus only need light drones on large ships for point defense.

Also, consider flavor. This is a game, people like things for irrational reasons. Homogenising races may decrease emotional response.

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Accki
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-09-20 11:14:00 UTC
It dissapoints me that my torpedos cant kill frigates effectively, i mean come on who's bright idea was it to have a large explosion radius deemed less leathal to small crap Blink

you can keep your drones when my missiles become true to explosions IRL

ie large blast radius more damge done which inturns into an AOE weapon

(can see it now a swam of frigates just vanish as the citadel hits home) Lol
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#12 - 2012-09-20 11:35:17 UTC
Cedo Nulli wrote:
FireT wrote:
I doubt any faction, fictitious or real, would ever single track their entire military into a single weapon style. But I do agree that there should be more 'uniqueness' to each faction.



I think winmatar is pretty unique with its awesomeness of having no real drawbacks or weaknesses.


2/10, mostly for using the old favorite "winmatar" argument

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-09-20 11:47:39 UTC
Accki wrote:
It dissapoints me that my torpedos cant kill frigates effectively, i mean come on who's bright idea was it to have a large explosion radius deemed less leathal to small crap Blink

you can keep your drones when my missiles become true to explosions IRL

ie large blast radius more damge done which inturns into an AOE weapon

(can see it now a swam of frigates just vanish as the citadel hits home) Lol


Once apon a time when EvE was new, Torps DID do AoE damage.

I lied :o
Alayna Le'line
#14 - 2012-09-20 12:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Alayna Le'line
Ashera Yune wrote:
It disappoints me that CCP keeps giving drones to many non-Gallente ships. Drones are supposed to be a gallente specialty.

Minmatar can track smaller ships fine with autocannons and Caldari ships can hit frigates with missiles.

Amarr were the first to pioneer the use of drones, the Gallente were the ones to improve on it.

This will make Gallente the preferred in certain aspect compared to other races.

The only exceptions to this rule are Carriers and Supercarriers.

Remove drones from all minmatar and caldari ships and some amarr ships.

This will make Gallente more unique.


It's easier for them to relegate drones to a secondary weapons system than to fix them.

The fact that Ytterbium is in charge of the revamp should say enough, as the above is something he said literally, if you care enough you can dig it up in one of the frigate rebalance threadnaughts quoted by someone (since the original got redacted...).

The fact that drones are pretty broken (as a main weapon system) and apparently have been for a long while make it so nobody really cares about them anymore which makes 'stealthily' pushing this through rather easy.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#15 - 2012-09-20 13:38:43 UTC
FireT wrote:
I doubt any faction, fictitious or real, would ever single track their entire military into a single weapon style. But I do agree that there should be more 'uniqueness' to each faction.


You're gonna get upset when you see the missile changes then :)
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2012-09-20 14:15:04 UTC
Alayna Le'line wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:
It disappoints me that CCP keeps giving drones to many non-Gallente ships. Drones are supposed to be a gallente specialty.

Minmatar can track smaller ships fine with autocannons and Caldari ships can hit frigates with missiles.

Amarr were the first to pioneer the use of drones, the Gallente were the ones to improve on it.

This will make Gallente the preferred in certain aspect compared to other races.

The only exceptions to this rule are Carriers and Supercarriers.

Remove drones from all minmatar and caldari ships and some amarr ships.

This will make Gallente more unique.


It's easier for them to relegate drones to a secondary weapons system than to fix them.

The fact that Ytterbium is in charge of the revamp should say enough, as the above is something he said literally, if you care enough you can dig it up in one of the frigate rebalance threadnaughts quoted by someone (since the original got redacted...).

The fact that drones are pretty broken (as a main weapon system) and apparently have been for a long while make it so nobody really cares about them anymore which makes 'stealthily' pushing this through rather easy.


The ships that use drones as main weapons are far from broken, and that fact kind of invalidates your whole argument.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-09-20 14:58:12 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
I'll summarize: no.

what he said.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Ginger Barbarella
#18 - 2012-09-20 15:02:37 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
It disappoints me that CCP keeps giving drones to many non-Gallente ships. Drones are supposed to be a gallente specialty.

Minmatar can track smaller ships fine with autocannons and Caldari ships can hit frigates with missiles.

Amarr were the first to pioneer the use of drones, the Gallente were the ones to improve on it.

This will make Gallente the preferred in certain aspect compared to other races.

The only exceptions to this rule are Carriers and Supercarriers.

Remove drones from all minmatar and caldari ships and some amarr ships.

This will make Gallente more unique.


So let's take your idea to the next logical step:
x Only Minnie ships should be able to fit projectiles, irrespective of ship bonuses
x Only Caldari ships should be able to fit missile launchers, irrespective of ship bonuses
x Only Gallente ships should be able to fit hybrids, irrespective of ship bonuses
x Only Amarr ships should be able to fit lasers, irrespective of ship bonuses
x All faction/pirate ships should be removed from game, because purity of ships is required
x Toons of race -X- should ONLY be able to fly those ships of that race
x Toons of race -X- should ONLY be able to train (for example) the Encryption Methods for that given race
x Toons of race -X- should never be able to enter the space of another race without Navies and that race's toon coming after them immediately for violating the purity of their space

See where I'm going with this?

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#19 - 2012-09-20 15:12:28 UTC
Drones are for everybody!!

Yes, I agree only Gallente and Amarr should be specialized in them but that doesn't mean Caldari and Minmatar should have their drone bays cancelled?
I am all fine with Caldari ships to have some drones in their cruiser+ hulls as long the drone specialized ships and big drone bays are reserved for Gallente and Amarr.
For the most part the revamped T1 ships are gonna be very interesting and as much I like people voicing their opinion on subjects important for them I don't see the reason for dramatic posts coming from almost nowhere.

Versatility rules, but specialization is key!

Pinky
Lavitakus Bromier
WTF Bunnies
#20 - 2012-09-20 15:38:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lavitakus Bromier
If drones only go.to amarr/gal
I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly...

Plus why would minitards and caldari not want the awesomeness that are drones
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