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Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#61 - 2012-09-19 19:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Weiland Taur
The Original Load of Nonsense was too long to quote so here I go:

A couple of questions,

1. What in game content has Chribba created? I assume he interacts with other players and has created awesome out of game applications but other than a call to defend his space station I don't recall a lot of Chribba hosted events or at least events on a regular basis. Of course I might just be bitter that he's never responded to my multiple valentines cards and or invites to the Bahamas but maybe I'm not his type.

2. Since when was the grinding to buy and sell PLEX not directly interacting with the game? This same action goes on in nullsec in all those plexes and asteroid belts and sites and so on so stop pretending this only happens in hisec. Also maybe some people just can't afford the fifteen to whatever (depending on the number of characters) each month and decide to take this route because they love the game.

3. Don't interact? Have a bad attitude? Did someone not return you space phone call? In what way is the lonely miner different than the carrier, battleship or titan pilot running plexes alone? Not talking? Hiding when you come into system? It sounds like you haven't spent much time in Null or Losec where the attention adverse are just as common as highsec.

4. Some of the largest alliances have five, six, seven thousand members. On their largest fleet ops they seem to bring what... five six hundred, maybe a thousand. Can we assume that the rest are alts or maybe... maybe pilots with a BAD BAD ATTITUDE who are not interacting the way you think they should. This is the bottom line of why a lot of people do not want to go to Nullsec, the demand that they be at the social beck and call of whomever whenever.

Can we please, please find another scapegoat in Eve other than the hisec miner? Damn at least James315 is trying to conquer part of hisec in his bid to be micro-tyrant of the month. He's using his blathering nonsense to reinforce his interacting with the game.

Alos, what happened to the Bling worshipping Incursion runner? Why aren't we punching them in the forums anymore? I thought they were bad for the game.

Oh' and per those whiny hisec pilots whinning until they get the changes they want.. I seem to remember an ancient and noble beast that roamed the starry plains of nullsec, a terror of unknown proportions that the very few tamed, the even fewer held in thrall... oh' tracking Titan where hence thou gone?
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#62 - 2012-09-19 19:16:47 UTC
Eve is Bad for Eve! The end is Near! The Game is dying!

Newsflash for the OP, EVE has been dying since at least 2001
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#63 - 2012-09-19 19:23:03 UTC
Boy, OP deserved an e-wedgie and got that, and an e-swirly too.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
#64 - 2012-09-19 19:25:02 UTC
In Soviet EvE, carebear ganks YOU!
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#65 - 2012-09-19 20:12:13 UTC

I dislike highbears, that are given options to tank their ship, but fit for utility instead, and then moan about losing it to a suicide gank...
I dislike nullbears, that whine, *****, and moan that an AFK cloaker is preventing them from ratting, or that wont tolerate even reasonable changes to local because it'll make them more vulnerable....
I dislike Wormbears, that continually suggest new ways to secure their WH's, and balk at any mechanic that might make their space actually dangerous...
I dislike Lowsecers, that want to make mission running safe or catching mission runners easy...
and
I dislike everyone that uses cheap, broken, tricks to avoid in-game losses or abuse people, be it logging off after jumping into a gate camp, be it scooping ships into a carrier/orca, be it abusing the station-trade window, be it . . .

Basically, I hate everyone that feels entitled to get easy kills, and I hate everyone that feels entitled to be super-safe!!!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#66 - 2012-09-19 21:07:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
^^ Uh Oh !

edit: Irrelevant now that thread was cleaned of racist nonsense posts that were above.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Baroness Vulna
Armada vi Vulnezia
#67 - 2012-09-19 21:16:00 UTC
Is the OP serious? i thought it was really funny. i mean he made it sound so honest and yet i envision him sitting at his computer for 15hours a day thinking of ways to ruin others fun because he isn't having any by playing with himself.

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#68 - 2012-09-19 21:22:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
OK. let's make the entire game map null sec. Then when some brand-new, completely unknowledgeable player creates his trial account and undocks, he can immediately get blown up. And just as immediately move on to some other game and forget all about EVE. Keep this up for a while, and the only players left in the game will be the hardcore null sec badasses. And in this closed system, those guys can just keep recycling kills on each other ad infinitum. It's a win!
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#69 - 2012-09-19 21:23:07 UTC
Well we at least know why it appeared to be so well written. Can you say Plagiarism?
Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-09-19 21:34:04 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I wouldn't lump industrialists and miners together with carebears. Carebears are a very specific group of players. The former take advantage of the opportunities that risk presents, while the latter want risk to disappear entirely.

I still pretty much agree with the whole thing though. Those people are like locusts. They devour every bit of life from a game before moving on to the next one. EVE isn't the first such game to go through this ordeal, and won't be the last.


The carebear/locusts are exactly the type of people that newer games like SWTOR were designed for.. and there's a reason those games failed catastrophically soon after launch.

OP makes some good points, but I tend to agree with this post that notes there is a major difference between carebears (don't touch my stuffs and there should be no risk) and industrialists/miners.
ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#71 - 2012-09-19 21:44:58 UTC
Thread cleaned of "Jew" references. No more of them, please.

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Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#72 - 2012-09-19 22:02:19 UTC
Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I wouldn't lump industrialists and miners together with carebears. Carebears are a very specific group of players. The former take advantage of the opportunities that risk presents, while the latter want risk to disappear entirely.

I still pretty much agree with the whole thing though. Those people are like locusts. They devour every bit of life from a game before moving on to the next one. EVE isn't the first such game to go through this ordeal, and won't be the last.


The carebear/locusts are exactly the type of people that newer games like SWTOR were designed for.. and there's a reason those games failed catastrophically soon after launch.

OP makes some good points, but I tend to agree with this post that notes there is a major difference between carebears (don't touch my stuffs and there should be no risk) and industrialists/miners.


One of the dumbest things I have ever read. Ever. Anywhere. Eve is a carebear bastion. Have you spent time in Nullsec? Lets take the locust analogy a little father. Fleets of ships smashing into each other for the pure purpose of recycling materials, creating a need for more ships. The hidden parasite, the hidden locust must be the pvp pilot who contributes nothing but the continual and inevitable sucking of resources into a fiery sink from which nothing may emerge.

The pvp pilot may only destroy. It lacks the instruments, the paradigm to allow any other form of interaction. IT is the blight... sorry starting to bore myself.

Please man, think.

But in closing, it's also the carebear who seems to be fine with their quiet mode of interaction and the pvp pilot who gets tired of their ship getting nerfed, not enough kills, too many kills, not enough excitement and then moves on.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#73 - 2012-09-19 22:30:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
I find it highly amusing that the highsec haters don't realise that they themselves have created the problem. Time to face up to the reality of EvE. Lowsec is a wasteland of your own creation, and null is full of blues. Your selfishness has created a system whereby there is little reward to measure up to the insurmountable risks of traveling outside the comfort zone of highsec. EvE's learning curve is HUGE. Highsec is there to provide an area of safety where newer players can learn at least a part of this mass of knowledge, before (theoretically) advancing to low and null space. However, the true parasites of eve are waiting for them, eager for that pointless kill to show how awesome their pvp skills are. It's no wonder that newer players are put off, and that the majority of players reside in highsec (or stop playing). True, some of these players fall through the cracks and succeed, and go on to live in these areas of space. Others take the risk and throw themselves into the depths of null (and by god, i salute you!), but many more only experience a quick death in the jaws of a uber-pvp gatecamp, or be risk-free ganked in the very space that is supposedly safe. Such is the nature of EvE today, with cowardly campers and highsec gankers forcing their pvp onto players that are unwilling or unable to fight back. Its no wonder thay choose to stay in high, where the rewards, though small, do measure up to the risks.

Thats not even mentioning players that play EvE for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with PvP. The highsec haters will never understand this, thinking as they do that their opinion is the only one that counts, and that everyone should think as they do. But there are indeed many people that play eve that have zero interest in PvP, and will continue to subscribe to move stuff around, trade, build stuff, endlessly mine or do mission after mission after mission. Personally, i don't think this is a bad thing. EvE is a glorious game, that caters to many different types of players, both pvp and pve. Shouting "pvp-only-game!" while exploding their ship isn't going to change that. They will continue to play only in highsec, because that is what they enjoy about this game.

I personally thought that the suggested changes to the lowsec gategun mechanics was the single best suggestion for the betterment of EvE. It effectively leveled the playing field, and gave highsec players the chance to get a "foot in the door" into lowsec without immediately getting owned in a gatecamp. More players in lowsec = more targets, literally a win-win. The only difference was that these targets would need to be hunted and destroyed in system, while they are running sigs or belts. But no, the lowsec parasites couldn't handle the idea of their victims no-longer shuffling single-file into their uber-pvp camp. The idea of such a change to their privilaged niche was completely unacceptable, as if sitting on a gate is all they know. L33T PVP!! I guess the best targets are the ones that don't shoot back, right?

(And no, i don't live in highsec!) Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2012-09-19 22:34:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Methesda
I'm always staggered by the number of people take OP's like this and completely misinterpret the OP's intention.

I am also completely blown away by the stunning hypocrisy of carebears that insist that they should be allowed to 'play the game their way' and then scream blue murder and cry for nerfs when they are put at risk by other players.

"Wah wah wah, why shouldn't I be able to make isk in a risk-free fashion. Change the game so that I can do that!"

Sure thing carebears. You can play the game any way you like, but you DON'T get to apply for changes to make the game more autonomous, destroying what many people is the thing that sets Eve apart without any resistance, just so you can make isk without having to sit in front of your keyboard

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.

WTFAMILOOKINGAT
Horizon Research Group
#75 - 2012-09-19 22:54:31 UTC
Weiland Taur wrote:


The pvp pilot may only destroy. It lacks the instruments, the paradigm to allow any other form of interaction. IT is the blight... sorry starting to bore myself.

Please man, think.



You think the "pvp pilot" may have some industrial alts to build stuff too? Why do you think people would only do one thing in the game?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#76 - 2012-09-19 22:59:52 UTC
WTFAMILOOKINGAT wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:
The pvp pilot may only destroy. It lacks the instruments, the paradigm to allow any other form of interaction. IT is the blight... sorry starting to bore myself.

Please man, think.

You think the "pvp pilot" may have some industrial alts to build stuff too? Why do you think people would only do one thing in the game?

Lack of thinking, probably.

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Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#77 - 2012-09-19 23:02:43 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
WTFAMILOOKINGAT wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:
The pvp pilot may only destroy. It lacks the instruments, the paradigm to allow any other form of interaction. IT is the blight... sorry starting to bore myself.

Please man, think.

You think the "pvp pilot" may have some industrial alts to build stuff too? Why do you think people would only do one thing in the game?

Lack of thinking, probably.



I think my sarcasm was mistaken for a real line of thinking.
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2012-09-19 23:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Incindir Mauser
Weiland Taur wrote:
Alos, what happened to the Bling worshipping Incursion runner? Why aren't we punching them in the forums anymore? I thought they were bad for the game.


I am also really surprised that nobody has set about turning those shiny fleets into hilarious lossmails.

In addendum.

I typically refuse to reply to detractors because that gives credence to poor logic.

I am not against PvE activities. They are a necessity. Whether you view them personally as a "good" or an "evil" is up to you. I have chosen to attack a pusillanimous attitude that is rife within hi-security space. Not a playstyle. Some take it personally. That is also up to them, they have the power to change their attitude. Until then I shall continue to call for reform, and allowances for greater player originated policing of such nonsense as AFK mining, and botting.

Just because I am of similar mindset to James_315, and possess a vocabulary that is greater than that of the typical college dropout does not mean he, or I, or others who share that opinion are "wrong". EvE was founded on player driven content, player driven content made it successful, and will keep it successful. I oppose any and all efforts to neuter the ability for players to engage one another non-consensually.

It is time to drown out the howls and shrieks of the malignant with a basso roar of our own.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-09-19 23:17:51 UTC
Yawn, wake me up when it ends...


Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk

Arec Bardwin
#80 - 2012-09-20 01:18:04 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:
By Fire. Be Purged!
I often have digestive problems when eating too much nachos as well.