Jita Park Speakers Corner

Here is an idea, how about you concrete on finding out why the what, 85% is it, of the Eve population who actually doesn't give a flying **** about the CSM and don't vote, why they don't.

Once you accomplish this and maybe say half that figure then the issue of block voting will most likely become much less of an issue as many more eve players who are not part of those coalitions will be voting.

I say this knowing that the CSM will most likely never tackle this problem head on as it would mean they would find it much more difficult to be re-elected which after all is what this is all about.

It has nothing to do with making the voting system fairer or helping the "disenfranchise voter". It is simply a way to further help to ensure that certain CSM members get re-elected so they continue on their little power trips and feel more important then everyone else.

Whilst I am not a goon and have no particular feelings towards kittens, I have to admit that when he was chairman of the CSM they certainly appeared to accomplish a lot more then any other CSM and there was a lot more game issues discussed then pointless threads like this one.

As I said before, instead of trying to pass this off as a discussion on making the voting system fairer, trying finding out why approx 85% of Eve players don't vote and get that number down.

Once you have accomplished this then take another look at the voting system and see if it needs changing.

Ultimately its ccps game and they can account for this themselves.

They can consider the way a candidate came to be elected in how much weight they give to that candidates ideas.

If a candidate was elected by a bunch of mindless drones who don't really know any of the issues, but were just told to elect their in game CEO, then I think CCP can weigh that when they talk to the person.

Somone else who runs on actual ideas for the game and is elected by players who are informed about the ideas and support them based on that instead of what alliance they happen to belong to can be given greater weight by ccp.

Isn't the single major problem with transferable votes cast by candidates, the fact that you can have 15 candidates who all enter and cast there votes to each other to guarantee a higher majority vote for one of them?

Wrong. Now CCP needs to buff freighters, or better yet just nerf ganking.

Again.

Personally i would like to vote for the 7 candidates that i think would be good for the council, i have varied interests in the game and no single candidate covers all of those interests. If everyone votes for who they think would make the best council in the game, then we might actually see a more diverse council with slightly less bloc control. Plus people wouldn't feel as disenfranchised when choosing someone they like vs someone who actually has the in-game clout to get elected based on the popularity contest/bloc backing stuff.

Also accounts should be force upon logging on during voting time to either pick their 7 candidates or choose "i abstain from the vote" via the login screen rather then signing onto the website. But that requires extra CCP work and they might not want to do that just yet.(especially since the discussion appears to be CCP effort neutral changes)

I do like the idea of CCP doing a quick survey to all accounts of

1. did you vote in the last CSM election? Y|N
2. why did you choose that way {comment box}
3. what would make you more likely to vote in the CSM election {comment box}
4. would you prefer voting for each of the 7 primary seats of the CSM or 1 single candidate as it is current? {A|B}
5. any other suggestions/thoughts/feelings {comment box}

Then make the active CSM tally the survey and release the data on fourms/newsfeed/cq screen and then have a community discussion AMA on eve-radio.. which again would be publicized on the log in news feed.

Why 85% dont vote? maybe becouse couldnt give a fu#k just want log in kill sh1t or wotever els they do in game and cant be botherd with eve politics same resone most ppl dont go 0.0 and become sheep

who's complaining?

have seen many many nurfs in my 6-7 years of eve not all good nurfs eaither but just adapt move on

so who's complaining

i do think sentry gun chang would kill small pvp in lo-sec becouse most fights in lo-sec happen at gates

but if it changes il just adapt do somthing els

ccp change things in game all time and mostly do it blind eve is still in Beta and we are the tester's

^ And thats me

The only problems I see with that are:

They won't necessarily know about WH mechanics, as not all alliances have WH wings.

HS people will whine despite likely being better represented.

It's undemocratic (of course, as this is an advisory, rather than parliamentary body, that may not be a problem).

What a lot of people who have only ever lived HS need to realise is that if a lot of problems in null are fixed then by default HS will improve.

You can also argue that people have had years to put together a dedicated HS lobby group and have failed to do so.

You can solve the WH issue by simply inviting a couple of members for various well know WH Alliances / Corps.

Yes it undemocratic but I do not see the CSM as anything other as a advisory body anyway, so you might as well put people who have a good knowledge of all aspects of the game and a solid fundamental understanding of the game mechanicals in that advisory body.