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NEW SHIPS: Cargo Cruisers
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Kelsi Darr
Orbital Express LTD
Trystero GmbH
#1 - 2012-09-18 20:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Kelsi Darr
I've enjoyed using Ospreys and Exequrors for non-mining cargo hauling (there is a reason one of my Exequrors is named the Nicholas van Rijn and the other is named the James Robert Neihart). With the Winter rebalancing they'll lose those bonuses.

Any chances of us seeing ORE civilian cargo cruisers, with less power grid than a regular cruiser but which align and accelerate better than industrials?

Edit:
Actually, an Interbus cargo cruiser would really rock my socks...
Furry Commander
Furry Armada
#2 - 2012-09-18 21:10:33 UTC
fitted properly the low end industrials can have comparable cargo bays and align times, although it would be fun to have new ships like this, the overabundance of hauling vessels makes this seem like a waste of Dev resources. if perhaps the ship had another role, something unique and more useful, the concept of a new cruiser like this may be more viable
Kelsi Darr
Orbital Express LTD
Trystero GmbH
#3 - 2012-09-18 21:29:13 UTC
Furry Commander wrote:
fitted properly the low end industrials can have comparable cargo bays and align times, although it would be fun to have new ships like this, the overabundance of hauling vessels makes this seem like a waste of Dev resources. if perhaps the ship had another role, something unique and more useful, the concept of a new cruiser like this may be more viable


True.
I've used an Inertia Stabilizer or two on Exequrors for low sec runs where I would feel silly taking an industrial but wanted to move PI or similar resources. If I had the ideal cargo runner I would certainly want to be able to haul 2000 cubic meters or so of cargo -- two cubes of ice -- and mount one or two medium-sized weapons. Before the Noctis, I used to love cherry-picking salvaging of some level 3s and 4s with a cruiser mounting a tractor and a salvager and either two assault launchers (for Ospreys) or two dual-150mm railguns (for Exequrors). And if I needed a quick low sec jaunt to grab something, I was likely to use those setups.

Actually, a cargo running variant of the Noctis/Primae hull would be sweet and meet the above request. Big smile
Furry Commander
Furry Armada
#4 - 2012-09-18 22:08:52 UTC
so to clarify the parameters around which you would like to design this concept:

maderately fast aligning/speed
moderate cargo space (2000 ish m3)
very light cruiser sized armament

if this is correct, the only way this deviates from almost every other cruiser as far as attributes are concerned is cargo capacity. its difficult to get that cargo volume on a cruiser. if yo subtracted the need for weapons, you are basically describing a sigil. it can hold more than that and fit both a tractor and a salvager to boot, and aligns very quickly.

so with that in mind, the only reason for a new ship is if there is an actual activity that many players engage in that requires the cargo and the armament simultaneously. I honestly dont think there is a large need for such a concept. how could you either expand or focus the idea into something more likely to be needed on a large scale?
Kelsi Darr
Orbital Express LTD
Trystero GmbH
#5 - 2012-09-18 22:30:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kelsi Darr
Furry Commander wrote:
so to clarify the parameters around which you would like to design this concept:

maderately fast aligning/speed
moderate cargo space (2000 ish m3)
very light cruiser sized armament

if this is correct, the only way this deviates from almost every other cruiser as far as attributes are concerned is cargo capacity. its difficult to get that cargo volume on a cruiser. if yo subtracted the need for weapons, you are basically describing a sigil. it can hold more than that and fit both a tractor and a salvager to boot, and aligns very quickly.

so with that in mind, the only reason for a new ship is if there is an actual activity that many players engage in that requires the cargo and the armament simultaneously. I honestly dont think there is a large need for such a concept. how could you either expand or focus the idea into something more likely to be needed on a large scale?


I'll think about it; and the only reason I saw a need for it was losing the skill level cargo capacity bonus on the Exequror and Osprey. (Of humorous note: you can currently fit a Magnate to haul over 1000m3...)
Furry Commander
Furry Armada
#6 - 2012-09-18 22:38:29 UTC
I understand what you mean, cruisers with unique bonuses seem to be disappearing. in this case i think its not anything that will be missed all that much. cargo bonuses are largely only usefull on ships dedicated to hauling things, and with the advent of more specialized ships like the noctis, the current cruisers should be repurposed and refocused. my concern is that some of this will lead to less racial flare amongst the different hull classes... food for thought anyways
Oraac Ensor
#7 - 2012-09-19 10:25:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
Kelsi Darr wrote:
I've enjoyed using Ospreys and Exequrors for non-mining cargo hauling (there is a reason one of my Exequrors is named the Nicholas van Rijn and the other is named the James Robert Neihart). With the Winter rebalancing they'll lose those bonuses.

That was my knee-jerk reaction to the intended Exequror changes. Then someone pointed me towards the 3 extra low slots . . . . .

What? Osprey doesn't have a cargo bonus.
Viscount Hood
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-19 11:28:18 UTC
Try a blockade runner fit for speed/agilty with a cloak. Marvellous way of tranporting non ore-related stuff around.
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#9 - 2012-09-19 13:49:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Karak Bol
Problem with Blockade Runner: A month of training. Exequror allowed very young chars cargo runs into lowsec at relative ease. It would be nice to have a cheap T1 hauler with less cargo and better align time. Could also make Low more attractive.
Vi'ach
#10 - 2012-09-19 14:02:53 UTC
I too use an Exequror for cargo runs and distribution missions. Its small hull size fits nicely in an Orca along with other mission running ships (Loki, Cloaker, Assault Frigate). I would love to be able to have a blockade runner in my Orca when moving between mission hubs, but at over 150K m3 its too big.

I agree, there should be a cruiser sized hauler.
Aiifa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-09-19 16:17:15 UTC
this is the most depressing thread
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-19 18:17:14 UTC
A Hurricane with cargo expanded lows and align time rigs has over 2k m3 cargo space, aligns in 6 seconds, has a decent tank and can fit a rack of medium autocannons for defense.

Hurricanes OP.
Furry Commander
Furry Armada
#13 - 2012-09-19 18:52:03 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:
A Hurricane with cargo expanded lows and align time rigs has over 2k m3 cargo space, aligns in 6 seconds, has a decent tank and can fit a rack of medium autocannons for defense.

Hurricanes OP.



i would use them as salvagers before the noctis... Lol
Kelsi Darr
Orbital Express LTD
Trystero GmbH
#14 - 2012-10-08 18:13:07 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:
A Hurricane with cargo expanded lows and align time rigs has over 2k m3 cargo space, aligns in 6 seconds, has a decent tank and can fit a rack of medium autocannons for defense.

Hurricanes OP.


*re-reads own old post, resurrects ancient thread*
Whoa, that rocks. I knew about misusing the Magnate, but hadn't tried that with a BC hull. Many thanks!