Warfare & Tactics

You are the one crying, remember? Read back a few posts where you cry about not having fun.

Also, beauty of a song!

More crying

Three pages before you lot regressed back to kindergarten .. not too shabby.

Let's see if you can make it page four in the next thread!

I think everyone agrees with this. Except those of the minmatar whose sole purpose in eve is to gate camp.

Preyty good observations. The Shakorite hinterland really is a nuisance to navigate not to mention get to, as for specific connections .. uncertain (read: only FW topic upon which I have yet to form an opinion! )

This post is so full of reason I am disgusted it's allowed in these forums.

Good post. But with respect to the above quote keep in mind no sort of tier system is going to promote fighting. The tier system is the strategic big picture. Its the actual plex mechanics that need to change if sov warfare is going to produce fighting as opposed to farming. To the extent you are better off plexing in a pve ship and running every time an enemy comes, sov warfare will not promote fighting regardless of the tier design.


But you are right that how the tier system needs to be structured so that all the economic incentives don't promote piling on the winning team. The old system was teetering that way and should be tweaked, but the new system does the opposite. It builds in more economic incentives to join the winning side.

As far as your recommendations. I would love a gate from sisiede to ardar to avoid the gate camps in hoff eszur. I think sisiede to eszur jump would still leave you with allot of gate camps in eszur.

Also are you suggesting the auga kourm and ezzarra arzad jumps be eliminataed? If so then the only bridge from amarr to minmatar spaces would be kurnianen to isbrabata.

I have to say overall that I do not think changing the map is going to change too much though. The low sec access points are neutral and both sides have several in their own backyard. Egg, gultratren, akkio equal out gratesier. And really as far as plexing ships even most pirates should be able to jump out of the various .5 systems - although thats a bit trickier I agree.

I am not a big fan of removing systems. If you want variety keep more areas that you can go to when the one you are in gets stale.

Finally the obvious solution to address this problem is to change the rule that made these sections into a pvp no man’s land to begin with. The station lock out rule. I would love for ccp to publish statistics on what percent of faction war pvp takes place in what systems before and after inferno. 1 jump from Kourm was always a focal point but after the station lock out rule the rest of the areas just died.

I can say that before the station lock out rule faction war players were able to have several bases in different parts of the war zone so when one section got stale it was very easy to travel over to another section. Now roaming is a chore. If I get in a fight in eszur and go into structure I have to go several jumps to repair if I want to hold a plex against a new wt. If the idea is to have easy access to pvp station lockouts are nothing but obstacle.

There has never been any reason to do pvping around plexes. It is, and always has been, a system best done as pve.


Taking a cluster of systems will just feed the minmafarm. Either we flip with a shot at tier 5 or foolish to flip systems at all.

The best small gang pvp used to happen in and around plex's................

Then they gave rewards for plexing and ruined it all.


But agree with the taking a cluster of systems being a bad idea, no wonder minnies are begging for us too :P

The first is a good idea. The second just gives an advantage to the side that holds more systems.




This thread is just piling error on top of error.

Many people recognized that most of faction war space would not be used if they removed docking rights. CCP still removed them, and, sure enough, most of fw is space is not used.

So now instead of unduing the error that brought us here, we want to make it so that fw space is so small due to extra gates (or even removing systems) that a someone can't finish a minor plex in brin before a blob from anka can come and kick him out. IMO, this is going in the opposite direction of where fw needs to be going.


Have an extra way to go back and forth so we can avoid the hof gate camp. But don't make it so that all of fw space is within 8 jumps of everywhere else.