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The reality of the goon freighter ganking in Uedema and neighboring systems.

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TharOkha
0asis Group
#261 - 2012-09-19 07:46:21 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Well i am a hisec dweller, freighter pilot and industrialist but this thread is awkward. Roll

-There are times of day, when Uedema or Niajra are empty, you can pass.
-If you can afford 7B+ worth of goods in your cargo, you can surely afford alt account for freighter web (or cyno alt for jump freighter, carrier, scout etc)

by the way. If you are so angry of suicide ganking and criminals in hisec you can:
- buy a stabber, fit 100MN microwarp and bump their tornados or collecting freighters (after freighter suicide gank) to hell.
-you can also bump criminals in hisec, for example player with secstatus -2,5 is criminal in jita. You cannot shoot him but can be bumped and cannot warp out. Rest of the job will be in concord/police hands.
-or buy yourself nice tier3 BC and wait for their suicide gank and legaly shoot them. You will gain some nice killmails proof1

-or you can sit outside jita 4-4 undock and wait for the outlaws to undock. Shoot those SOBs proof2 or proof3 . Believe me, goon killmail is soo heartwarming like nothing else in my miserable hisec life Bear

...so yes, even a good guys can do bad things to bad guys. Legaly and without sec status loss and in hisec.
-So grow some balls and make criminal life miserable in hisec. Twisted

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Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2012-09-19 08:30:58 UTC
The reality of Goons ganking Freighters in high-sec is that they do it because they can. People just want Goons to have a motive for all the stuff they do (manipulating the Tech-prices, Hulkageddon V, Gallente Ice Interdiction, you name it). Ganking Freighters in high-sec is nothing but a pastime for Goons. They do it because they can, that's it. The chance of earning lots of money doing it is just extra motivation for them, really.

Besides, even if there's another reason behind their Freighter-ganking, I highly doubt they're going to tell you any time soon.

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Hypercake Mix
#263 - 2012-09-19 08:32:19 UTC
The reality of this is... normal. This is normal.

No amount of blowing up freighters short of blowing up EVERY freighter will stop bads from over-stuffing their loot-pinata.

It's just an unresolvable lack of communication.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#264 - 2012-09-19 09:14:44 UTC
William Walker wrote:
I don't see why the freighters just don't log off. Unless they are AFK.


Many of them didBlink
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#265 - 2012-09-19 09:23:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
William Walker wrote:
I don't see why the freighters just don't log off. Unless they are AFK.


Many of them didBlink


Many of the ones you reliefed of their cargo or the ones that got away?

Btw If you would drop a ton of cans in front of all gates leading to Uedama that say "DONT JUMP IN YOUR FREIGHTER YOU ARE GOING TO GET GANKED" they still would jump in happily.

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Doddy
Excidium.
#266 - 2012-09-19 10:36:01 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
They collect bills in loot. Are people really still not understanding WTF is ahppening in a gank? Even a newbie like me got enough information to know a 900 mill penalty would only change where the bar for profitable is. Insetad of a ship with 2 bill inside, they woudl aim for 4 bill...
Yes but by pushing that bar high enough it becomes possible to carry a reasonable value in cargo and not be a profitable target.


Th vast majority of people in eve would consider the 1.8 bil amount a freighter can carry without becoming an obvious target perfectly reasonable. And if you want to carry 3 bil of crago there is a certain other ship with a 300k plus hold than can carry that value without being a target either. Or you could just do 2 freighter runs. Really the only cargo that must make you a target is one that is unsplittable and has a value of over 1.8bil (if 360k to 980k in size) or over 3bil (if under 360k). How many such cargos actually need to be moved through gankspots in truth? Pretty much none.

So everyone losing an overvalued freighter is being lazy, tight or is just underequiped/underskilled for the job they are taking on.
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#267 - 2012-09-19 11:00:30 UTC
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Sure, because it's oh so practical for every freighter in empire to be guarded by a fleet of ships


Much to learn you have young Padwan!

Step 1. Stop seeing yourself as a victim and stop pretending this is a single player game. If your doing it solo, your doing it wrong, plain and simple. You can't come to a team game and complain that you got beat team vs. One.

Step 2. Nothing is easy in this game, people just make it look easy through coordination. Ganking a 100EHP (though your low balling its higher than that) is not easy.

Step 3. Understand that no one attacks an empty freighter, nor do people attack it if its carrying low value cargo. Another words, your perfectly safe flying around in a freight with a bit of cargo, but if your going to throw billions of cargo in their, you will get nailed, ****.. I don't even suicide gank but you give me an opportunity like that and I may just change my mind about it.


The lesson to learn here is that this is a player driven game, you have options, your just not paying attention and instead you are trying to get someone to feel sorry enough for you to change the game knowing that full well that CCP is weak and it will probably work. So thanks for ******* it up for everyone.

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BillyBanter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#268 - 2012-09-19 11:01:07 UTC
I present to you one of goons throw away alts that they use to flag freighters using rookie ships with, to stop them logging out to escape.

"Throw Away08" Month old disposable alt, with -1.3 sec status, currently camped in Uedema.
Agent Akari
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#269 - 2012-09-19 11:21:38 UTC
What if my Freighter has 20 bil of cargo and 8 players in remote armor repair ships on me, will it stop suicide ganking?
Christ Illusion
Atrocity Vendors
#270 - 2012-09-19 11:23:49 UTC
i just randomly looked some killmail. several billions of cargo / freighter. are those freighter pilots normal?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#271 - 2012-09-19 11:48:36 UTC
Christ Illusion wrote:
i just randomly looked some killmail. several billions of cargo / freighter. are those freighter pilots normal?

Not THAT normal, but normal enough that there's plenty of killmails to go around.

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Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#272 - 2012-09-19 11:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Darius Brinn
BillyBanter wrote:


Sure, because it's oh so practical for every freighter in empire to be guarded by a fleet of ships.


In this topic: a frigate scout, perhaps with a web fitted, is defined as "a fleet of ships".

Also, confirming you need 25 Tengus, 3 bonus Nighthawks and 4 Scimis to be able to bypass a Goon gate camp with your freighter, in High Sec.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#273 - 2012-09-19 12:18:02 UTC
Just a quite note to an earlier poster:

You won't find any kill mails of Red Frog pilots.

/All/ their freighter pilots are in different corps, with just a contract alt in Red Frog. This is their 'wartime' model. It was adopted as their regular model after an in corp gank.

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Gun Gal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#274 - 2012-09-19 12:20:12 UTC
Amazing
Justifying exploitable offenses, no risk vs reward, recyclable characters

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Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
#275 - 2012-09-19 12:21:17 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
by the way. If you are so angry of suicide ganking and criminals in hisec you can:


I made a gank squad mad some time ago by following them around in a hauler.

It must make the equations harder if there is a possibility someone else will beat you to the loot.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#276 - 2012-09-19 12:26:39 UTC
Agent Akari wrote:
What if my Freighter has 20 bil of cargo and 8 players in remote armor repair ships on me, will it stop suicide ganking?


Probably. The info in the thread is they do not kill freighter with an alpha strike but high dps instead so repairs might work. Your only remaining problem is how many system ahead do they scout and do they have extra shooter available to put the extra needed dps on the target. If you are carrying 20 bill, they can technically put 10 bill of ships worth ahead of you at the gank spot if they have enough player available.
flakeys
Doomheim
#277 - 2012-09-19 12:28:29 UTC
I'm all for ganking if people like doing it , it is part of eve.The only thing wich allways has concerned me is the throw away negative sec chars.That goes for the freighter ganking now , the hulkageddon thingy and all other previous forms that we have seen .


Easy to fix though , characters with a -sec stat can not be removed from your account until they are positive again.Should be able to implement such a thing in a few days is my guess IF CCP wanted to since they claim to be against recycle alts.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#278 - 2012-09-19 12:28:39 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Just a quite note to an earlier poster:

You won't find any kill mails of Red Frog pilots.

/All/ their freighter pilots are in different corps, with just a contract alt in Red Frog. This is their 'wartime' model. It was adopted as their regular model after an in corp gank.


You'll see a similar model being used by service corps such as Pro Synergy when they're at war, at least that's my recent experience.
TBH it's just common sense

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Arya Greywolf
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#279 - 2012-09-19 13:00:56 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
I've already proposed the solution to this. Make it impossible to attack anyone else from your own race. Make it impossible for other races to enter the Low-Sec or High-Sec space of any other race.

Then Goon Swarm or any other fuckwits will then have to grief in nullsec where they can be avoided.

Simples.


This is literally the worst Idea I've seen in a long time.

Read this please, and understand it:

Samahiel Sotken wrote:

I fail to understand the premise for why a mechanic change is at all necessary. We all signed up knowing this was a PVP MMO about violence in space. The trailers themselves include acts of theft, piracy, and espionage. Everything here is working as intended as far as I can tell. The poor decisions of a few pilots unskilled in the mechanics of the game does not constitute grounds for wild, unjustified theory crafting.
Germaldi's Mum
The Motley Crew Reborn
#280 - 2012-09-19 13:44:07 UTC
PeHD0M wrote:
Bumping is a broken mechanic, ofc it should be fixed. Apart from that, bumping the target for a long period of time without shooting it should be petitionable, it is an obvious griefing.


in X3 Terran Conflict if you bump a big ship with a small ship u will die or take heavy damage... and all u do to the big ship is damage the big ship's shields.

in eve bumping should be made similar.