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Why the heck do you feel that heavy missiles require further nerfing??

One thing..

CCP, please keep in mind to make rails viable for the new Caldari ships after the balance.

I would really HATE if all caldari boats just turned into shield gallente blabber boats, that would be terrible.

I'm actually hoping this never happens. Blindly cascading through the T1 bonuses to the T2 hulls, allowing T2 hulls to keep their improved resists and fittings, and adding a role bonus on top will end with the same outcome we have now. T2 hulls will continue to be the ships of choice because they can do everything the T1 variant can do, do it better than the T1 can do, and have additional capabilities for their intended niche.

I would rather see the T2 hulls have to suffer some kind of drawback in trade for their specialization similar to how most T2 modules, while generally being more effective than the T1 version, are also generally more difficult to fit.

Since you've mentioned Cov Ops frigates let's examine them. The rebalanced Exploration Frigates are getting bonuses to scan probe strength as well as reduced cycle times for analyzers, codebreakers, and salvagers. Cascade those bonuses to the Covert Ops and add the Cov Ops additional scan probe strength and flight time bonus, plus cloaking device fitting bonus and you get ships that preform all exploration activity as well as their T1 counterparts, can scan down those sites faster then their T1 counterparts, and can warp to those sites while cloaked. Given those advantages why would anyone chose the T1 hull over the T2, except for lack of in game skills?

If the purpose of T1 rebalancing is to make T1 ships a viable option to T2 ships, then T2 ships will need some kind of penalty for their specialization that make T1 ships seem attractive. If the rebalancing is just to make T1 ships suck less until you have the skills to fly T2 it will certainly do that, but very little else will change.

Caracal (navy too), Cerberus and Eagle are pretty much useless.

Also, for both Caldari and Gallente pilots: please, please, please, buff medium railguns. They're peashooters.

I think instead of people crying that the drake is OP, why not bring all the other cruisers in line with it? Why shouldn't a Harbinger be able to solo Lvl 4's just a Drake does. I understand their logic that Gallente can run lvl 4's in a domi because they can deploy different size drones to account for different size targets...but what does amarr get? Lasers on a BS that can't hit for anything without sacrificing tank for tracking.

Instead of the constant stream of tears to nerf the drake...why not rally behind making the other BC's worthwile. Esp with them extending the training time to get into BS's, it's going to more and more difficult for noobs that want to mission run to make isk.

Any of you elitests that want to start WHINING about how hard you had it, just remember that while this is a nitch game, people will come and go and if you can't make it appealing to a least some people, you'll be hard-pressed to keep the game alive as the population will eventually die.

Cause and effect is a fact of life, yet so few people actually think about the ramifications of an action.

That's because the warp-to range is below that of large railgun optimal. Extend no-warp range out to 250k and those sniper boats would be fine.
Edit- Railguns aren't broken. The game itself is.

The problem is that most of the hisec bears and wowscrub newbies aren't interested in using their isk for pvp. They just hoard it. They hoard spacebucks for the sake of hoarding spacebucks. Catering to these types of people (if you can even call them people, most more closely resemble bots) is going to be the downfall of eve.

The risk vs reward issues desperately need balancing, more so than rebalancing frigates/destroyers/cruisers

Please do not gimp missiles further. Taking so much damage off already weak weapons is not the right thing to do. The distance is what compensated for the lowered DPS and it rearly came into play.

Nerfing the missiles ultimatly means nurfing Caldari who already as a race is not the tops of pvp by any margin now with the proposed changes it will be gimped totaly. Have you thought of the tengu and how badly it will be affected both pve and pvp wise as well as the drake and the Raven?

I for one will have a degraded gaming experience if this nerf to missiles takes place on such a huge scale like 25% and 20% as I enjoy flying Caldari.

A lot of time, ISK, PLEX and skill training went into training and choosing the missile path, consider it from a paying subscribers position.

I urge you to reconsider the proposed changes.

Guys the proposed changes to missiles are ridiculous, the nerf that is proposed of deducting 20% damage on HMLs will make them effectively useless, the tengu and the drake will be done completely. Not to mention torps which are gimped as is and have been for long.

The range nerf is somewhat exceptible but still unreasnable at 30%. The increase of 6.6% in velocity is a tiny gain on all the nerfs.

Adding tracking to missiles is also stupid, that is why expolsion radius was put in place. Now I will have to sacrifice even more damage and DPS by removing damage controls for tracking enhancers so this is a double whammy.

Nerfing missiles is effectively nerfing Caldari as mentioned by others and Caldari already is not the greatest race for pvp so this will just make it comletely and utterly useless for pvp.

I for one should the proposed changes go through will probably close some accounts and play segnificantly less if at all. I have invested alot of time and effort into missiles and they are a challange to compete as is with these changes it will be like throwing rocks at the enemy.

Do not go through with the proposed nerfs on missiles.