Ships & Modules

Hi all,
Over the last two weeks I have been taken a serious look in to ASB balance as a whole, as I feel while there has been a large volume of debate of the ASB module little of it has been of substance. My aim in writing this paper is educate and hopeful foster a more enlightened look at ASB balance

Here is a link to the the Google document which contains the report as it is to long to post here.

https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=17j7aIwiPALovVl4MV95MAbdinSr2VTtrEmVfYrlgTQY

TLDR; A single ASB is balanced, Two ASBs are not.

or in other words:

XASB = 980 rep amount, max 13 charges = 13*980 rep amount(=12740) in 13*4(cycle time) = 52
Adding reload time: 60 = 12740 hp repaired in 112 seconds.
That gives 113.75 hp/second for XASB

XLSB II = 600hp/5sec = 120hp/second

now:

1 Large Armor Repairer gives 800hp/15sec cycle time = 53.3 hp/sec

That means that to tank the same as one XASB you need two LAR II, that use not 500 PG like XASB but 4600.

If it wasn't enough there's capacitor needed to run 2 LAR.

One Heavy Cap Booster gives 800cap/12sec = 66.6 cap/sec.
To run 2LAR II you need 400cap/15sec = 26.66*2 = 53.3 cap/sec

That's one more module to 'armor rep like xasb'.

4600 PG (2 LAR II) + 1925 PG (Heavy Cap Booster II) = 6525 PG (and 150CPU)

That's 3 slots and much bigger fitting requirements.

Although in your pdf you wrote that asb is balanced with shield boosters, you did 2 big mistakes. You didn't compare it to armor tanking and you completely forgot about capacitor.

So no, even one asb is imbalanced.

You used a lot of words to point out that you don't really understand how stuff works. The trick to ASB is that you can use oversized ones while not running into cap problems without wasting another midslot on cap boosters.

Try running a medium shield booster on a harpy, see how long your cap lasts. Now fit 1 ASB, notice how it tanks a fckton more AND doesn't hurt your cap.

You could read it that way. Or you could read it as 'active armor sucks and needs to be fixed.'

It is a small but significant difference.

Now could you please enlighten some persons in this thread with real numbers for this:

Character with BC5 Med projectiles spec 4 fittings yadayada 5, command ships 4.
Ship used: Sleipnir
425mm autocanons
Double XL-ASB
Strong blue pill

Pos kissing boosting Loki

Would you please mind to educate some idiots? -I'm tired of trying.

Edit: oups just forgot but eventually you can also add crystal set, the high grade of course.

The amusing thing about the ASB conceptionally in isolation are only a little out of balance, it is when you actually work with them they get better when you try top push hteir limits they crush all oposition (at the small group level, buffer still rules vs massive volley damage. )

For various reasons they have no or very little diminsihing returns when pushed and a few cases the advantage seems like 1+1 = 2.5 (duall xl asb). SB have cap issues if stacked, buffer explodes your sig, resist modes are stack nerfed, multiple asb just cover for each other.

The ASB as it is being proposed will only be able to fit 7 charges rather then 10. Navy will allow 9 charges. MASB will eventually get navy 50s to load 9. The XLASB will have a duration of 5 seconds rather then 4. So all in all - 30% less reps. SASB, which noone I think used now never will be. MASB will be inferior to an MSE until they roll out the navy caps for it.

Link please? I don't see it in F&I...

It's fine for things that don't get hit too much, for instance speed tanks. But for brawlers which really get in each others face, there are few ships that can pull off a decent active tank and survive, for instance, an armor-cane.


regards,

rob

Thank you.

Changes seem strange because they nerf single fits too...