EVE General Discussion

Suffer not a parasite to live.

Unfortunately they are multiplying.

Primarily in High Security space.

Some refer to them as "Industrialists", "PvEers" or as a more common layman's pejorative "Carebear". I find all of these definitions contrite and amorphous. Is it a playstyle, personality defect, or necessary evil? I am a personal advocate of the idea that all playstyles are valid, but not all attitudes held by players are "good" for the overall health of the game.

I shall posit an argument to label "Carebear" not as a person, or a playstyle so much as it is an attitude of entitlement. The attitude of a parasite. Not predator, not prey, but parasite. The desire to manipulate it's host to ignore it and continue it's cycle of feeding, unrestricted growth, excretion, and pernicious systemic spread until it's host expires under the sheer toxicity of it's presence.

You can recognize a parasite easily. They are usually innocuous looking and small, singularly they are non- threatening to their larger host. They typically have no intimidating natural defenses with the exception of the ability to numb the host's senses to their presence. They often use subtle manipulation of the host and get the host to behave in ways that are detrimental to the continued vital existence of the host. Once firmly attached they can cause significant pain and discomfort to the host should the host notice the threat to it's life and try to forcibly remove them.

And thus it is happening to New Eden.

The parasitic attitude has started to settle in and nibble away at our host.

"How dare someone interact with me! How dare he gank my un-tanked Hulk! How dare he blow up my undefended freighter full of T2 ship hulls! How dare you camp that gate! How dare you impede my growth!"

Thus is the attitude of the parasite.

It is not that they chose to mine. It is not that they chose to stay in hi-sec. It is not that they chose to haul, or run missions, or incursions.

"How dare you interact with me."

Industry in EvE is vital. I will not argue that. Those that wish to pursue mining, manufacturing, research, and material handling are necessary. They can be strong content drivers, if not forces of nature. Just look at the legendary Chribba. This is proof that non-violent gameplay is not only possible, but profitable, and rewarding. But what is the difference between Chribba and the parasite that protests vehemently against ganking and pines for a PvP free hi-sec?

Chribba made friends. He has allies. He has enemies too. But he is interacting with the people around him. And for his efforts has been rewarded. I don't care that Chribba mines Veldspar until it fills up a million station containers. He's involved in the game and the people around him. Chribba has created a lot of content for a lot of players. And did so non-violently.

The parasite does not want to interact with people around him. The parasite doesn't want those people to interact with him. The parasite just wants to feed, and grow, and go unnoticed until it is bloated and fat and it's lack of interaction or contribution has caused the death of the very thing feeding it. And it will inevitably slough itself of to another host, where it will again, grow fat, multiply and kill it's host.

"But Mouse! Parasites are paying customers, too! What makes their money any better or worse than yours? Shouldn't CCP try and make as much money as possible so we can keep playing the game that we like?"

Well the obvious non stupid answer is, Yes. For a while. And then the revenue stops. And through the persistent manipulation of the host, they will kill it.

"How is this?", you may ask.

The goal of almost EVERY player I have talked to that had the parasitic attitude is to generate enough "safe" income to PLEX their account/s. At this point they are no longer contributing anything, not to themselves, not to the community, not even to the host. Some even resort to using automated software to make the ISK to pay for the PLEX to contribute nothing of value to the player base. They are no longer financially supporting the host, and even worse they are actively denying content to the player base. This in turn will drive those that are paying for PLEX with real money away, even further securing the safety of the parasite, and dooming the host.

And then they have the audacity, no, the temerity to declare.

"I'm bored.".

To this I say.

By Fire. Be Purged!

Is this some attempt to one-up James315?

Came here determined to make a joke about James315, left disappointed that I wasn't the first.

Eh, it's actually pretty well written, to be honest.

It just lacks the background of say James315's New Order, the Code and the website. To some extent, simply posting on EVEO GD Forums is just letting the trend continue. Active measures need to be taken, such as the (apparently) productive re-education program by means of bumping Stabber (Fleet Issues)

I wouldn't lump industrialists and miners together with carebears. Carebears are a very specific group of players. The former take advantage of the opportunities that risk presents, while the latter want risk to disappear entirely.

I still pretty much agree with the whole thing though. Those people are like locusts. They devour every bit of life from a game before moving on to the next one. EVE isn't the first such game to go through this ordeal, and won't be the last.

Fire? Where?

Whoa, don't invoke me in this thread. Not touchin' this one.

If CCP is doing this to cash out, then we're ****** anyway. Even disregarding the changes they'd make to be able to cash out properly, the only companies wealthy enough to make the buyout would turn EVE into a sterilized white-box venture.

Enjoyable read but way too short.

I recommend the next one to be couple of posts long.

Yeah. Now about the need to buff freighters ...

It should also include an action plan.

Suffer not a parasite to live.

Unfortunately they are multiplying.

Primarily in Null Security space.

Some refer to them as "Elitists", "Losers" or as a more common layman's pejorative "Nullbear". I find all of these definitions contrite and amorphous. Is it a playstyle, personality defect, or necessary evil? I am a personal advocate of the idea that all playstyles are valid, but not all attitudes held by players are "good" for the overall health of the game.

I shall posit an argument to label "Nullbear" not as a person, or a playstyle so much as it is an attitude of entitlement. The attitude of a parasite. Not predator, not prey, but parasite. The desire to manipulate it's host to ignore it and continue it's cycle of feeding, unrestricted growth, excretion, and pernicious systemic spread until it's host expires under the sheer toxicity of it's presence.

You can recognize a parasite easily. They are usually innocuous looking and small, singularly they are non- threatening to their larger host. They typically have no intimidating natural defenses with the exception of the ability to numb the host's senses to their presence. They often use subtle manipulation of the host and get the host to behave in ways that are detrimental to the continued vital existence of the host. Once firmly attached they can cause significant pain and discomfort to the host should the host notice the threat to it's life and try to forcibly remove them.

And thus it is happening to New Eden.

The parasitic attitude has started to settle in and nibble away at our host.

"How dare someone in High security space make money! How dare you produce planetary goods at a much lower rate than I, with a guaranteed 10% tax! How dare you to not participate in blob warfare! How dare you impede my growth!"

Thus is the attitude of the parasite.

It is not that they chose to pvp. It is not that they chose to stay in null-sec. It is not that they chose to moon mine, Rat the best rats in the game, or gank freighters.

"How dare you avoid interacting with me."

Industry in EvE is vital. I will not argue that. Those that wish to pursue mining, manufacturing, research, and material handling are necessary. They can be strong content drivers, if not forces of nature. Just look at the legendary Chribba. This is proof that non-violent gameplay is not only possible, but profitable, and rewarding. But what is the difference between Chribba and the parasite that protests vehemently against ganking and pines for a PvP free hi-sec?


The parasite wants to feed off the people around him. The parasite doesn't want those people to interact with him, he just wants to gain from them. The parasite just wants to feed, and grow, and go unnoticed until it is bloated and fat and it's lack of respect or contribution has caused the death of the very thing feeding it. And it will inevitably slough itself of to another host, where it will again, grow fat, multiply and kill it's host.

"But Mouse! Parasites are paying customers, too! What makes their money any better or worse than yours? Shouldn't CCP try and make as much money as possible so we can keep playing the game that we like?"

Well the obvious non stupid answer is, Yes. For a while. And then the revenue stops. And through the persistent manipulation of the host, they will kill it.

"How is this?", you may ask.

The goal of almost EVERY player I have talked to that had the parasitic attitude is stroke their ego and steal whenever the opportunity arrises, as well as destroying as many assets that any other parasite, or living being may have. At this point they are no longer contributing anything, not to themselves, not to the community, not even to the host. Some even resort to using automated software to make the ISK to pay for the PLEX to contribute nothing of value to the player base. They are no longer financially supporting the host, and even worse they are actively denying content to the player base. This in turn will drive those that are paying for PLEX with real money away, even further securing the safety of the parasite, and dooming the host.

And then they have the audacity, no, the temerity to declare.

"I'm bored.".

To this I say.

By Fire. Be Purged!