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Keeping Bittervets, good or bad?
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2012-09-18 14:41:58 UTC
When I was a noob we had respect for the bittervets.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
bufnitza calatoare
#42 - 2012-09-19 00:40:13 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
So, what do you think New Eden? Would we be better off with out all the grumpy old vets yelling about every small change or are they an asset to us providing a view point from in the rose colored glass box to remind us how not to get stuck in the past?

While we thank you veteran players for making this game what it is today, for providing the necessary funding and word-of-mouth marketing that made CCP a successful company in the MMO scene, for developing EVE's economy, for creating a plethora of OOG websites and resources to stimulate gameplay, for creating lots of player-driven content within the game, for sticking up for the core integrity of the game when it is challenged by errors in judgement, for keeping the game's community alive even when bad changes do go through, for teaching new players the intricacies of the game, for the massive real-life charity efforts undertaken by their in-game wealth, for being responsible for the unique success of the world's only open-ended sci-fi spaceship MMO, and for many other reasons that cannot be mentioned here due to the constraints of space and time, we feel that is time for you to leave.

We may be new, but we have a lot of opinions and ideas that are superior to anything you may believe in, because we are the new, enlightened, tolerant generation, and own iPhones. We know what is best for EVE, beyond anything that you might know. We have Facebook accounts and make good use of Twitter, and are thus very well-versed in the functions of social environments such as EVE Online. Our experience with mining and group-running level two missions provides us with superior credentials for dictating the direction of the game's development, because a focus on developer-made content demonstrates a true understanding of game mechanics. Our understanding of morality is that of the elite echelons of human society, of people who are responsible for all of the modern world's progress and prosperity.

But most importantly, we are entitled to get what we want because we are paying customers. In fact, if you do not leave by your own volition, we ask that you be expelled from the game by force, because your presence is clearly detrimental to the game's existence.


I never say they should leave, I simply want to have perspective.

I am somewhat wealthy ( several hundred million in assets ), I rat, mine, build, and PvP. I just often feel as though I am disconnected from these so called veterans.

Now, I will refute the point that Veterans are all out there to help new players, because EvE online would not struggle for getting new players if every Veteran loved helping new players. This is the exact opposite way around, most Veterans merely view the new player as a way to make a quick buck at an uninformed fellow players expense.



several hundred million in assets?? lol that's not wealthy by a long shot. might been some 9 years ago in eve but not now.

come back when you can throw around billions in isk without batting an eye lid.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-09-19 00:43:00 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
So, what do you think New Eden? Would we be better off with out all the grumpy old vets yelling about every small change or are they an asset to us providing a view point from in the rose colored glass box to remind us how not to get stuck in the past?


The bittervets push the plex market and the bitterest amongst them have many accounts (I have two, my third is inactive).
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-09-19 00:44:08 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:

several hundred million in assets?? lol that's not wealthy by a long shot. might been some 9 years ago in eve but not now.

come back when you can throw around billions in isk without batting an eye lid.


Yeah that was a cute comment, I have about a billion liquid and about 5 billion spread out in assets and I call myself broke :v:
bufnitza calatoare
#45 - 2012-09-19 00:46:36 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
bufnitza calatoare wrote:

several hundred million in assets?? lol that's not wealthy by a long shot. might been some 9 years ago in eve but not now.

come back when you can throw around billions in isk without batting an eye lid.


Yeah that was a cute comment, I have about a billion liquid and about 5 billion spread out in assets and I call myself broke :v:



I have 53m isk to my name. lol. I am emotionally and financially bankrupt lol
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#46 - 2012-09-19 01:01:18 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
So, what do you think New Eden? Would we be better off with out all the grumpy old vets yelling about every small change or are they an asset to us providing a view point from in the rose colored glass box to remind us how not to get stuck in the past?

While we thank you veteran players for making this game what it is today, for providing the necessary funding and word-of-mouth marketing that made CCP a successful company in the MMO scene, for developing EVE's economy, for creating a plethora of OOG websites and resources to stimulate gameplay, for creating lots of player-driven content within the game, for sticking up for the core integrity of the game when it is challenged by errors in judgement, for keeping the game's community alive even when bad changes do go through, for teaching new players the intricacies of the game, for the massive real-life charity efforts undertaken by their in-game wealth, for being responsible for the unique success of the world's only open-ended sci-fi spaceship MMO, and for many other reasons that cannot be mentioned here due to the constraints of space and time, we feel that is time for you to leave.

We may be new, but we have a lot of opinions and ideas that are superior to anything you may believe in, because we are the new, enlightened, tolerant generation, and own iPhones. We know what is best for EVE, beyond anything that you might know. We have Facebook accounts and make good use of Twitter, and are thus very well-versed in the functions of social environments such as EVE Online. Our experience with mining and group-running level two missions provides us with superior credentials for dictating the direction of the game's development, because a focus on developer-made content demonstrates a true understanding of game mechanics. Our understanding of morality is that of the elite echelons of human society, of people who are responsible for all of the modern world's progress and prosperity.

But most importantly, we are entitled to get what we want because we are paying customers. In fact, if you do not leave by your own volition, we ask that you be expelled from the game by force, because your presence is clearly detrimental to the game's existence.


I never say they should leave, I simply want to have perspective.

I am somewhat wealthy ( several hundred million in assets ), I rat, mine, build, and PvP. I just often feel as though I am disconnected from these so called veterans.

Now, I will refute the point that Veterans are all out there to help new players, because EvE online would not struggle for getting new players if every Veteran loved helping new players. This is the exact opposite way around, most Veterans merely view the new player as a way to make a quick buck at an uninformed fellow players expense.



several hundred million in assets?? lol that's not wealthy by a long shot. might been some 9 years ago in eve but not now.

come back when you can throw around billions in isk without batting an eye lid.


Considering your only as wealthy as the money you need to do what you want I consider my self perfectly well off.

Sure as I get more SP I will need more money to fund what I want to do but right now I don't have an issue.

I never got the appeal of having billions of raw isk at a time, if your never using it whats the point? I digress, this is about the debate of how useful Bittervets ( keyword, bittervet, not all vets ) give to the community.

I have never said we need to ban Bittervets or Veterans.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#47 - 2012-09-19 01:08:23 UTC
This thread is now about John Prine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuSilWHnczA&
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#48 - 2012-09-19 01:12:18 UTC
Yeah, sure. We can keep them. In a cage. With black-out curtains around it. On a server separate from our own where nothing changes, EVE stagnates and nobody plays it anymore.
Space Therapist
Better Days Ahead
#49 - 2012-09-19 01:16:21 UTC
Eelis Kiy wrote:
Thing is how do you define a bitter vet? I'm a 2006 player and so to me a bitter vet is someone older than 2005. And then I see 2010/2011 players complaining that solo PvP is now broken and the game is now terribad compared to back-in-the-day ie 12 months ago.

We all get older, and as we get older we find sh!t to moan about. Such is life.


So be kind to bitter vets, one day it will be you Bear



Very true!!!!

See my bio for rates and services.
Ludi Burek
Exit-Strategy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#50 - 2012-09-19 01:45:57 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:


several hundred million in assets?? lol that's not wealthy by a long shot. might been some 9 years ago in eve but not now.

come back when you can throw around billions in isk without batting an eye lid.


I start to panic when my wallet dips bellow the poverty line of one trillion.
Roderick Grey
Koenigsbergers
#51 - 2012-09-19 01:50:22 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
bufnitza calatoare wrote:


several hundred million in assets?? lol that's not wealthy by a long shot. might been some 9 years ago in eve but not now.

come back when you can throw around billions in isk without batting an eye lid.


I start to panic when my wallet dips bellow the poverty line of one trillion.


I can double it for you?

“We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.” - Special needs division of Fcon.
Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-09-19 02:09:40 UTC
Back in my day, Rifter Drake Incarna RABBLE RABBLE

Doing it right?

Occasionally plays sober
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#53 - 2012-09-19 02:22:58 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
I never got the appeal of having billions of raw isk at a time, if your never using it whats the point?

Some of us want to play Doomsday Device Online, or Projected Elecronic Counter Measures (and logistics) Online.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#54 - 2012-09-19 03:56:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
I never got the appeal of having billions of raw isk at a time, if your never using it whats the point?

Some of us want to play Doomsday Device Online, or Projected Elecronic Counter Measures (and logistics) Online.


Taking the hint, I can't fly something that big. Even if I had trillions, all I would do with it is by a load of Faction stuff for ratting, maybe another hulk?

When I want/need/can fly a carrier, I will get the money for it.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#55 - 2012-09-19 03:58:08 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
I never got the appeal of having billions of raw isk at a time, if your never using it whats the point?

Some of us want to play Doomsday Device Online, or Projected Elecronic Counter Measures (and logistics) Online.


Taking the hint, I can't fly something that big. Even if I had trillions, all I would do with it is by a load of Faction stuff for ratting, maybe another hulk?

When I want/need/can fly a carrier, I will get the money for it.

Do you want to fly something that big though? Supercapital pilots can be pricy, but hey at least (barring not-up-to-date-clones) you won't lose them (the skills) unlike, say, the supercapital you sit in or the implants in its head.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#56 - 2012-09-19 04:00:21 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
I never got the appeal of having billions of raw isk at a time, if your never using it whats the point?

Some of us want to play Doomsday Device Online, or Projected Elecronic Counter Measures (and logistics) Online.


Taking the hint, I can't fly something that big. Even if I had trillions, all I would do with it is by a load of Faction stuff for ratting, maybe another hulk?

When I want/need/can fly a carrier, I will get the money for it.

Do you want to fly something that big though? Supercapital pilots can be pricy, but hey at least (barring not-up-to-date-clones) you won't lose them (the skills) unlike, say, the supercapital you sit in or the implants in its head.


In the future, maybe, I never want be a Titan pilot, and would only ever fly a Super Carrier if I was able to plex out a couple other toons.

Biggest thing I will probably ever fly for the future to come is a thanny or Rorq.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#57 - 2012-09-19 04:04:54 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
So, what do you think New Eden? Would we be better off with out all the grumpy old vets yelling about every small change or are they an asset to us providing a view point from in the rose colored glass box to remind us how not to get stuck in the past?

While we thank you veteran players for making this game what it is today, for providing the necessary funding and word-of-mouth marketing that made CCP a successful company in the MMO scene, for developing EVE's economy, for creating a plethora of OOG websites and resources to stimulate gameplay, for creating lots of player-driven content within the game, for sticking up for the core integrity of the game when it is challenged by errors in judgement, for keeping the game's community alive even when bad changes do go through, for teaching new players the intricacies of the game, for the massive real-life charity efforts undertaken by your in-game wealth, for being responsible for the unique success of the world's only open-ended sci-fi spaceship MMO, and for many other reasons that cannot be mentioned here due to the constraints of space and time, we feel that it is time for you to leave.

We may be new, but we have a lot of opinions and ideas that are superior to anything you may believe in, because we are the new, enlightened, tolerant generation, and own iPhones. We know what is best for EVE, beyond anything that you might know. We have Facebook accounts and make good use of Twitter, and are thus very well-versed in the functions of social environments such as EVE Online. Our experience with mining and group-running level two missions provides us with superior credentials for dictating the direction of the game's development, because a focus on developer-made content demonstrates a true understanding of game mechanics. Our understanding of morality is that of the elite echelons of human society, of people who are responsible for all of the modern world's progress and prosperity.

But most importantly, we are entitled to get what we want because we are paying customers. In fact, if you do not leave by your own volition, we ask that you be expelled from the game by force, because your presence is clearly detrimental to the game's existence.


9/10. You almost had me. Was about to rage-post about entitled little pubbie scrublord bitches. But then I noticed the tenor of your post and realized it was a very well written troll. Excellent. You will go far in Eve-O.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-09-19 04:19:12 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
*snip*

EVE doesn't have an old graphics engine iirc. It does have some old graphics though, but they are being updated. Take a flyby of some planets, or go into CQ and take a walk around. Hardly anything old or outdated about that; honestly, it's better than any game out there.
*snip*

I love the in-space bling, from the backdrops to the various 3D models that comprise ships and stations.

But I must refute the statement that CQ is better than most games out there. The CQ human models walk around like they have a pole stuck up their arse and their facial expressions are as stiff as a high-born Presidential Candidate. The station interiors are nice, but nothing all that special looking.

There are other games / engines which do first-person environments much better, but CCP does a great job with the in-space stuff -- as they should.

As far as bitter vets keeping CCP honest with the repetition of mistakes, etc, good luck. Ultimately, CCP doesn't give a flying **** about customer feedback and input. CCP does what it wants to do on its own schedule, quality and customer input be damned.

-- bitter vet

+++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark “Seleene” Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith.
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