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[Updated][Winter] Missile Rebalance 2.0 + Hurricane tweak

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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#681 - 2012-09-18 22:23:18 UTC
I'm Down wrote:
See what happens when you start posting actual content in your post that can be refuted? you get ***** slapped.


Pretty sure you're the one who gets ***** slapped, seeing as your grasp on game mechanics, their application and what could/should be done to fix the flaws is among the worse I have ever had the displeasure of seeing in this community, if not straight out the worst. There's a reason people routinely go "lol yaay", and it's not out of uninformed bandwagoning.

No sig.
Laura Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#682 - 2012-09-18 22:23:23 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Wow can't wait............Roll


I actually can't wait. The HAM Drake will be utterly ridiculous, and every other Caldari ship is getting a pretty massive boost as well. :)

-Liang



As long as they use HAMS....oh and lose a slot for one or more tracking modules.


It's totally blasphemy that someone would want to get better damage application instead of better EFT damage.

Roll

-Liang



Ahh sarcasm, lowest form of wit and all that.


The fact that you've resorted to personal attacks yourself, rather than trying to rebuke his points, really does tell me more about yourself than it does about him.
Michael J Caboose
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#683 - 2012-09-18 22:24:28 UTC
Oops! Looks like liang beat me to it :)
The Bazzalisk
One Risky Click
Snuffed Out
#684 - 2012-09-18 22:24:31 UTC
Matthius Carole wrote:

I think a 20% nerf to the damage of heavy missiles will be a good starting point. We can work from there.
Yes, after that we can change Heavy Missiles so that they have much better sig radius and explosion velocity and then we will have missile launcher shaped guns with delayed dps making the game more homogenous.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#685 - 2012-09-18 22:24:33 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Ahh sarcasm, lowest form of wit and all that.


Can I take it that you don't have anything actually intelligent to respond with? So you agree that by and large missiles will be getting both better range and better damage application?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Rita May
State War Academy
Caldari State
#686 - 2012-09-18 22:25:39 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:


What...

The...

****...

?

The TE/TC change obviously isn't a boost.... because you say so?

*snip*
-Liang


hm, i would really like to see a Nighthawk fit, that has tackle, propmod, your "boost" moduls and still can fit a tank... Roll
where do you find all those slots, last time i checked my Nighthawks had 5 mids and lows, how about yours?

cu
Marcus Harikari
#687 - 2012-09-18 22:27:27 UTC
NONONO drake already does less dmg than other BC's why 20% dmg drop??
The Bazzalisk
One Risky Click
Snuffed Out
#688 - 2012-09-18 22:27:37 UTC
I'm Down wrote:
And keep in mind, these poorly thought out changes have massive outside implications such as:

MASSIVELY BOOSTED:

Loki
Sliepnir
Muninn
Absolution
Legion

MASSIVELY NERFED:

Nighthawk---- b/c it wasn't already **** enough.

~Post change, NH is going to have at best, maybe 333 DPS at any range, and the only way to get comparable range to turrets is to sacrifice its limited low slots for dps or it's already horrid tank slots.... But hey, I'm sure one day you'll come along and give it more drones b/c that's good balance ^-^
Yeah, I agree - NH needs more drones. I mean every other ship gets drones, why not the NH too?

In fact why don't we just have one ship in the game with one set of bonuses and a variety of different skins. Seems like it will save CCP a lot of time in trying to sneak in these changes which makes all ships and weapon systems do the same thing *cough* T1 frigates *cough*
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#689 - 2012-09-18 22:28:32 UTC
Rita May wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:


What...

The...

****...

?

The TE/TC change obviously isn't a boost.... because you say so?

*snip*
-Liang


hm, i would really like to see a Nighthawk fit, that has tackle, propmod, your "boost" moduls and still can fit a tank... Roll
where do you find all those slots, last time i checked my Nighthawks had 5 mids and lows, how about yours?

cu


Look up Fond's Rocket Witchcraft videos, he's got one dedicated to the nighthawk that does what you say, also guess what:
Theres a low slot version of a Tracking Computer called a Tracking Enhancer. Midslots aren't the only way to get what you need out of a ship.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#690 - 2012-09-18 22:28:37 UTC
Look at all of these terrified Tengu/Drake pilots flailing at the windows.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#691 - 2012-09-18 22:28:52 UTC
Rita May wrote:

hm, i would really like to see a Nighthawk fit, that has tackle, propmod, your "boost" moduls and still can fit a tank... Roll
where do you find all those slots, last time i checked my Nighthawks had 5 mids and lows, how about yours?


You aren't understanding what is being posted. Is the NH fine? No. Does that mean that the NH (and every other missile ship) isn't being boosted by the TE/TC change? No. Because they are.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#692 - 2012-09-18 22:30:05 UTC
CCP says: We're removing missiles.

Why ? because no one will use them.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#693 - 2012-09-18 22:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Shizuken
DeBingJos wrote:
-Damage decreased by 20% (rounded to closest digit)

Just noticed this! Holy crap CCP, 20% nerf to damage and 25% nerf to range?!



What?What?What?


Yeah, not sure if my current mission drake fit will be able to do L4's anymore...
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#694 - 2012-09-18 22:31:58 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
-Damage decreased by 20% (rounded to closest digit)

Just noticed this! Holy crap CCP, 20% nerf to damage and 25% nerf to range?!



What?What?What?


Yeah, not sure if my current mission drake fut will be able to do L4's anymore...



You'll still have the DPS to finish them, it just might take you a bit longer than before. Alternatively you can skill up to a Raven or any other BS and diversify to avoid future nerfs by making sure you can fly ships from multiple races with multiple weapons types at your disposal.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Wolfstorm
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#695 - 2012-09-18 22:32:03 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Wolfstorm wrote:
...aren't very good except at being constant up close and far away.

Isn't that part of the issue? Being good at all ranges?


That isn't a problem - missiles are SUPPOSED to be good at all ranges - not very good, nor very bad... just OK. That's how missile systems work.

The real issue is people whine about having fast short range ships vs slow long range ships. Drakes are only broken in blobs... and you know what ... I can take a blob of 500 frigates out and pown 95% of any fleet in game.

Fix blobs, anything else is smoke blown up your ass.

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#696 - 2012-09-18 22:33:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Look at all of these terrified Tengu/Drake pilots flailing at the windows.


The funny thing about it is that if people bothered to engage their brain instead of simply flailing about they'd see that this is likely going to result in a net boost to the PVE Tengu. Consider that HAMs aren't being directly nerfed but you'll have a low and 2 'utility' mids on the optimal PVE setup to spend on TE/TCs. Just how far are we going to be able to push the range these HAM Tengus? How much better is the damage application going to be? My gut feeling says that they're going to be a lot better than today's HML setup for virtually all practical use cases.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#697 - 2012-09-18 22:33:19 UTC
Wolfstorm wrote:
I can take a blob of 500 frigates out and pown 95% of any fleet in game.





No you can't.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Laura Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#698 - 2012-09-18 22:33:32 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
-Damage decreased by 20% (rounded to closest digit)

Just noticed this! Holy crap CCP, 20% nerf to damage and 25% nerf to range?!



What?What?What?


Yeah, not sure if my current mission drake fit will be able to do L4's anymore...


You're doing level 4s in a t1 battlecruiser? The fact that it's even possible is pretty ridiculous. You try doing that in a Harbinger, sure you'll have a lot of fun warping out every odd minute.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#699 - 2012-09-18 22:33:52 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
-Damage decreased by 20% (rounded to closest digit)

Just noticed this! Holy crap CCP, 20% nerf to damage and 25% nerf to range?!



What?What?What?


Yeah, not sure if my current mission drake fit will be able to do L4's anymore...


Fit an active tank, a prop mod, and HAMs. You'll be fine.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
The Bazzalisk
One Risky Click
Snuffed Out
#700 - 2012-09-18 22:33:59 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
lierally no reason to use a BS in PVE at all right now and the Tengu is the reason.
I have used a Tengu for mission running in HS and the DPS isn't as good as everyone seems to think it is. It's good, but not spectacular. You will get more DPS from a CNR, Rattlesnake, DNI - maybe even a torpedo SNI with some TPs in the meds. HML is not an 'insta-win' against turrets and to suggest that they are OP in terms of damage is a bit silly imo. Sure, nerf the range a bit, but the damage shouldn't change significantly.