Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The first thing I would like to say is that this is a feature and ideas DISCUSSION thread. These changes have not been made yet. They aren't even on the test server. All of the folks that are only saying things like "this, this, and this ship sucks now!" and "just give me my SP back" are in the wrong forum. The devs post this stuff so that intelligent people can give constructive feedback and work to make eve better. Once again, make EVE better. Not YOU, YOUR ship, or the the type of weapon YOU use. All some of you are doing is making the constructive ones have to read through more bull crap to get to the discussion at hand.

One thing I would like to say about missiles is that the the paper dps and the applied dps are completely different things on this weapon system. The payoff you get for a lower amount of paper dps is that so long as you are in range and you're engaging the proper sized ship, your missiles are going to hit for the same amount of damage every time.

I think a 20% nerf to the damage of heavy missiles will be a good starting point. We can work from there. The range nerf had a long time coming. Firing vollies from 100km away and not having to worry about tracking always seemed a little unbalanced to me.

Missiles being affected by tracking enhancers and disruptors is awesome but I agree with some of the others in the thread that this will be used by a lot of ships that aren't bonused to td's. There's nothing inherently wrong with that but that last thing a lot of us want to see is yet another piece of ewar that is part of the standard pvp fit. We'll see what happens with that when we get to buckingham though.

I don't understand this argument, If everything is equally useless then surely everything is also equally useful ? (i.e. balanced, nothing is significantly OP or UP compared to each other ?)

Edit: removed rant - ISD Suvetar

Edit: removed rant

Please feel free to debate this 'tentative' change in a constructive manner.

ISD Suvetar.

I already group when I can because it's faster/easier to generate more money and way less boring, but no, I should not have to group up to generate income. If the only time I can log in is during off-peak hours I have no chance of grouping up.

It's worth repeating, I'm almost glad to see the drake nerfed in pvp, but there's no real viable replacement for newbies in nullsec pve, and while i'd rather not, if I have to set foot in low sec or high-sec to generate a reasonable amount of income, I'm just going to scam it out of someone rather than waste my time.

..because comparing guns with missiles is good to begin with? Why don't you add in drones in that equation too, that's about as reasonable as your apples and oranges. If you wanted to be fair, you'd at the very least also mention missiles travel time, and mention smartbomb/FoF that kills missiles/drones but not gun damage (but you could mention TDs affect guns/drones but not missiles).

You also forgot to mention which ships that is affected in what way with what bonuses (gun- and missile ships tend to have a different way of handing out bonuses, like your beam comment should mention that almost every damn Amarr ship there is has a cap bonus built in).

Horrible one-sided argument with obvious flaws, mate, try again.

This game isn't supposed to be easy for newer players. I started Amarr and I had a hell of a hard time trying to work my way through the Omen, Harbinger and Apocalypse with T1 fittings. The fact that this game is such a breeze with a t1 drake or raven is an insult to all other races.

Firewall was an extreme solution to the lack of a dedicated anti-missile mechanic in the game. It is hardly ideal and has problems in application. Now with this single buff/nerf masses of newbies in Crucifiers, Vigils, Arbitrators, and Bellicoses and their tech II varietes may become as sought after as those in Griffins and Blackbirds et al. We can only hope damp boats are made as desireable as well.

This will open up the game to new fleet doctrines and even better, non-monoculture fleets. This will be good for the health of the game. And eventually some of you who put all your eggs in the one basket of heavy missile boats will realize the joys of crosstraining.

As someone who spends a lot of time in things that have to shoot at drakes, I think a 20% decrease in range vs 25% is a bit more fair. Reducing flight time by only 20% instead of 30% also seems a bit more fair.

On a large fleet scale, drakes will have to be realigning more when shooting towers making them much more susceptible to bombing runs.

Yes, because the raven is a breeze to use.

Because everyone always waits until they do level 4s before starting PvP right?

Drake is op, everyone knows that. Nerfing it down to 250 dps in the classic setup isn't really a good way of fixing it, nerfing a bit and improving the other options it has than heavies is better.

Sure you can. You just won't be able to fit 2 1600mm plates, 2x Medium Neuts and 425mm ACs. You'll have to work for your fitting. Try using 1 plate. Or downgrade your neuts. Or downgrade your ACs. Trust me, it works.