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Trit is worthless?

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Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
#1 - 2012-09-18 20:14:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Souisa
I am not a miner, and i only recently got into manufacturing. But i cant believe the amount of trit and pyer is required. And i cant believe how much space trit and pyer takes up. 12.000m3 worth of trit does not even cover half the amount needed for a battlecruiser. Its a logistics nightmare. I dont blame miners for passing up on veldspar and scordite, and coincidentally having prices rise, because you will quickly end up spending more time traveling back and forth to station than actually mining. If trit and pye for that matter didnt take up so much space i think it would become alot more appealing to mine and haul around

o/

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#2 - 2012-09-18 20:16:14 UTC
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Cipio Hakoke
Tactical Manufacturing Group
#3 - 2012-09-18 20:22:52 UTC
You mine the same m^3 per cycle reguardless of ore type... But yes transfering trit and pyerite to other stations does suck... that's why tomorrow my training and building of a freighter will be complete Big smile
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#4 - 2012-09-18 20:25:52 UTC
Souisa wrote:
I am not a miner, and i only recently got into manufacturing. But i cant believe the amount of trit and pyer is required. And i cant believe how much space trit and pyer takes up. 12.000m3 worth of trit does not even cover half the amount that is needed for a battlecruiser. Its a logistics nightmare. I dont blame miners for passing up on veldspar and scordite, because you will quickly end up spending more time traveling back and forth to station than actually mining. If trir and pye for that matter, or scord or veldspar didnt take up so much space i think it would become alot more appealing to mine.

The cubic meters of ore mined per minute is the same for all ores, from Veldspar to Arkonor. Hauling becomes an issue once you refine. If you goal is to mine, refine, then haul to a hub for sale, then yes it becomes a pain to do trit. An Orca helps, a freighter helps more. The same is true if your goal is to buy minerals at a hub and haul to a building site.

Also many people buy 425mm rail guns at a hub, haul them to the build site, then reprocess them to get the minerals. The result is many more cubic meters of minerals than the guns were.

The alternative is to build at the same station where you refine, and mine in the same system, or at a very close system. I have an alt who mines, refines, builds and sells all in the same system.

Another alternative is to place a buy order in your station and let someone else do the hauling.

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#5 - 2012-09-18 20:39:02 UTC
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#6 - 2012-09-18 20:51:05 UTC
Souisa wrote:
I am not a miner, and i only recently got into manufacturing. But i cant believe the amount of trit and pyer is required. And i cant believe how much space trit and pyer takes up. 12.000m3 worth of trit does not even cover half the amount needed for a battlecruiser. Its a logistics nightmare. I dont blame miners for passing up on veldspar and scordite, and coincidentally having prices rise, because you will quickly end up spending more time traveling back and forth to station than actually mining. If trit and pye for that matter didnt take up so much space i think it would become alot more appealing to mine and haul around

Here's a great idea. I mine with a Hulk and an Orca.

I strip and can for a while. When cans are full I put Hulk in Orca and fly the Orca to pick up my cans. Then I get back in my Hulk and start mining again. Easy done.

If you want to see how this is done just let me know where you mine and I'll show you.

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#7 - 2012-09-18 20:52:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander

He's a whingy whiney miner (but says he's not - yeah right) . He's highsec. Blink

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Idris Helion
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-09-18 20:57:50 UTC
Move to lowsec and buy a Rorqual. It can compress Veld ore down to less space than the refined trit will take up.

Of course you'll have to come up with the couple billion ISK it'll take to buy the Rorq + fittings, and commit to a null lifestyle since the Rorq can't operate in highsec, and invest in a jump-freighter to get your compressed ore to market...

...but no one ever said playing EVE was easy.
Robert De'Arneth
#9 - 2012-09-18 21:06:41 UTC
Souisa wrote:
I am not a miner, and i only recently got into manufacturing. But i cant believe the amount of trit and pyer is required. And i cant believe how much space trit and pyer takes up. 12.000m3 worth of trit does not even cover half the amount needed for a battlecruiser. Its a logistics nightmare. I dont blame miners for passing up on veldspar and scordite, and coincidentally having prices rise, because you will quickly end up spending more time traveling back and forth to station than actually mining. If trit and pye for that matter didnt take up so much space i think it would become alot more appealing to mine and haul around



Well this is a small suggestion, but put up some buy orders at the station you use, and people will bring it to you. The other way takes more work, but you can form an indy corp, and pay your miners to bring it to you. Several ways to not have you haul it. Also, who said miners do not mine Veld?

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#10 - 2012-09-18 21:09:00 UTC
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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#11 - 2012-09-18 21:09:20 UTC
Idris Helion wrote:
Move to lowsec and buy a Rorqual. It can compress Veld ore down to less space than the refined trit will take up.

Of course you'll have to come up with the couple billion ISK it'll take to buy the Rorq + fittings, and commit to a null lifestyle since the Rorq can't operate in highsec, and invest in a jump-freighter to get your compressed ore to market...

...but no one ever said playing EVE was easy.

plus he needs a the lowsec tower to stage the rorq, corpies to look after it, the freighter passing through lowsec/null to haul the compressed ad infinitum...

or he could recruit up and pay corpies to do the hauling/mining for him.

or he could just buy it as suggested and pay a hauler. unless he's a-retentive and that would slice .00001% off his margins.


lordy lordy. i'm a manufacturer but doing it is soooo hard. doh.

or he could just do sumthin' else.

just sayin'.

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Idris Helion
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-09-18 21:12:40 UTC
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I dont blame miners for passing up on veldspar and scordite


Buh? Scord is currently the best highsec ore in the game, and Veld has long been the most profitable ISK/hr ore. They're always my first targets upon entering a belt these days. For a long time, I mined nothing but Veld. If you're turning up your nose at Scord and Veld, you're ignoring two of the best money-making ores in the game. Veld is your money-maker as a miner; it should be the core of any mining enterprise. Whether you build or sell the minerals, Veld and trit are the foundation upon which your career as a (highsec) miner is built.

But that means that you have to plan your logistics chain appropriately, and that means either buying your own freighter or paying someone else to move your trit to market (though this often means wiping out your profit margin on transport costs).
Souisa
WESCORP 2.0
#13 - 2012-09-18 21:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Souisa
On a spreadsheet veld/scord might tell you its the better ore, but if you factor in travel back and forth to station it might not be. Low-sec mining and 0.0 mining of trit and pyer is not desirable, unless you are mining it for your own consumption, because the minerals and ores take up too much space according to their value to be worth hauling to a trade hub

o/

Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-09-18 21:48:59 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:

Here's a great idea. I mine with a Hulk and an Orca.

I strip and can for a while. When cans are full I put Hulk in Orca and fly the Orca to pick up my cans. Then I get back in my Hulk and start mining again. Easy done.



WOW!
So your Orca is floating emty in space , waiting for the first pilot to get it ?
genius!
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#15 - 2012-09-18 21:52:52 UTC
Sola Mercury wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

Here's a great idea. I mine with a Hulk and an Orca.

I strip and can for a while. When cans are full I put Hulk in Orca and fly the Orca to pick up my cans. Then I get back in my Hulk and start mining again. Easy done.



WOW!
So your Orca is floating emty in space , waiting for the first pilot to get it ?
genius!

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#16 - 2012-09-18 22:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Souisa wrote:
On a spreadsheet veld/scord might tell you its the better ore, but if you factor in travel back and forth to station it might not be. Low-sec mining and 0.0 mining of trit and pyer is not desirable, unless you are mining it for your own consumption on the spot, because the minerals and ores take up too much space according to their value to be worth hauling to high sec

Your post is being contradictory.

Firstly, it's easily viable when someone else does the hauling which, given this is a co-operative game is the best way to do it.

Secondly, if trit etc. were even easier to get it would be even cheaper and even less worth hauling around so it's a circular argument.

Thirdly you stated that you manufacture (hence it IS for own use) so lowsec mining using a Rorq to compress is a VERY desirable option. You compress with Rorq, put compressed blocks in freighter, take to HIGHSEC station and decompress. A Fenny can carry a LOT of trit done this way. A LOT!!!

But if you want everything to occur with no effort then no option given is going to be good enough is it?

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Sharon Eskolde
Madz Crusaders
#17 - 2012-09-18 22:08:35 UTC
In high-sec: my spreadsheet tells me that the margins on Scordite beat the hell out of everything else here, as long as you have the capacity to shift the trit. Even minus that, there's very good profit/trip from just shifting the Pyerite.

All the high-sec ores seem to be doing fairly well at the moment, depending on area. In some places Veld is actually down compared to the others. Presumably that's related to the high price of Pyerite and supported by Mexallon's apparent stability.

In low or null I'd hate to consider the logistical nightmare that is shifting large quantities of high-sec products any distance, though I guess it's fine for local consumption.

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Idris Helion
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-09-18 22:13:50 UTC
Souisa wrote:
On a spreadsheet veld/scord might tell you its the better ore, but if you factor in travel back and forth to station it might not be. Low-sec mining and 0.0 mining of trit and pyer is not desirable, unless you are mining it for your own consumption on the spot, because the minerals and ores take up too much space according to their value to be worth hauling to high sec


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Yeah, I've only been mining in eve for like five years, guy. You ain't telling me nothing I don't know.

If you're in highsec, Veld and Scord are *great* ores to mine. You have to factor in hauling costs, but even then, they're still better than any other ore...if you do it right. If not, well, mining probably isn't the profession for you anyhow.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#19 - 2012-09-18 22:18:46 UTC
Idris Helion wrote:
Yeah, I've only been mining in eve for like five years, guy.
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You have to factor in hauling costs

What hauling costs? After 5 years you don't own a freighter that costs NOTHING to operate?

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Idris Helion
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-09-18 22:27:57 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Idris Helion wrote:
Yeah, I've only been mining in eve for like five years, guy.
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You have to factor in hauling costs

What hauling costs? After 5 years you don't own a freighter that costs NOTHING to operate?


Opportunity costs. I live about 32 jumps away from Jita, and that's about an hour or more of RL time waiting for that slow-ass freighter to make the trip. That's one of the reasons I quit going to Jita -- too far. I go to a closer trade-hub and take a lower per-unit price in exchange for fewer jumps.

Time has value, in EVE as in real life. I'm still amazed that more EVE players don't get that. Time really is money.

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