Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So hey look, I hated drakefleet and i dont mind the pvp ramifications, but what am I supposed to make money with in nullsec as a low-sp pilot? I can salvage off of kinder vets sometimes, but that's a finite and pretty limited source of isk. I'm just now able to do forsaken hubs on my own, and that's my only steady source of isk. With these nerfs on the board it really sounds like you're dicking low-sp pilots that live in nullsec out of one of their major sources of income, which wasn't that major to begin with.

I was also slowly training for a tengu to rat and now i'm second guessing that. Did you guys even think this nerf through? Do you actually want people to never use the drake or heavy-missile based ships ever again?

It seems like you could have reduced the viability of heavy missiles in pvp without completely screwing low-sp income sources.

Edit: And if anyone tells me that I should mine I will take a veldspar asteroid and cram it waaayyy up your ass.

Instead of endless cycle of nerf, buff nerf, nerf and nerf some more. just make every weapon the same but with differeent names and get it over with.

What are these Cruise missiles you speak of? lol ;)

Stop being so bad.

These new design team are ****. I think it's time for another revolution and the burning of jita mark 2 to teach em to not put their pants on their head and do some real damn work. Cus really it ain't that hard - I should know, it's what I do elsewhere.

Im sorry CCP but a 20% reduction in Heavy Missile damage is way out of line. I agree with the range decrease, because they have a ridiculously high range for medium sized weapon. But a 20% reduction in damage is catastrophic. Caldari are reknown for their missile boats and as it stands none of thier missile platforms are useful. There are only three truly useful Caldari missile boats, Golum, Tengu and Drake... two of which use heavies.

You will destroy the Caldari ship line like this. The Caracal is already terrible and useless, and that uses heavies, your just going to make it worse. Not to mention the Cerb is one of the most useless of the HACs, and your definitely going to make that worse. If it wasn't before it definitely will be now.

I very rarely think badly of CCP, but that change will make me deaply unhappy.

And which came first the chicken or the egg?

I do not find the qq-ing itt surprising. So many people that entered this game in the last 3 or so years followed the obvious easy path, Drake -> Tengu and that's basically all you needed. That is being taken away.

Seriously, though it does surprise me that so many are failing to notice concurrent buffs that should be welcome. Faster missiles, removal of tech II ammo penalties, improved unguided missiles, and if the current frigate and cruiser rebalancing is any indication the hated kinetic bonus is being done away with (which is interesting for where it leaves Gallente tech II resists?).

People really need to take a deep breath, slow down and read the op. And as usual try to read the previous posts itt because some of the arguments have already been stated and even addressed. For instance, it appears likely that TDs base stats will be altered/reduced so that they don't become the new old-style multispec, per one of Fozzie's followup posts.

As for ships, welcome to wishing they could move faster to general BC rebalancing and on to tech II cruisers and BCs.

So it appears the two overused BCs will be getting an interim nerf. Thanks Ytterbium btw. At least the Drake is not getting a direct one, and really all the but it will be useless posters should wait for the comprehensive rebalance. CCP is wisely choosing to trim these two ships back in the interim and most likely balance the other BCs up to them. This will mean that the newly buffed cruisers won't just slide back into weaksauce in comparison. Did you all really expect that they could buff the other 6 BCs up to current Drake and Cane standards and just moot all the work on Cruisers?

Seriously, light missiles are getting a buff. I would bet that cruises could be getting a similar buff when they start addressing BSs and BS sized weapons. This is a process folks.

Maybe if all you whining are correct and armor turret boats come to dominate the killboards and pve activity the way the drake and tengu have you can wait 3+ years for that to get fixed. Welcome to a more complex game. A game where you want to train something other than one race of ships and one weapon system. And where you don't just load your lows with damage mods and your mids with tank, hit f1 and watch the missiles travel to your target. Welcome to thinking about how you get range, or damage application, and have to balance that with tank. Hey at least you don't need to worry about cap for your guns on top of that.

Also, a Revelation can reliably score hits at 200km yet an Osprey struggles to obtain a mining yield of over 600m3.

THIS!

Hey look on the bright side, your TDing HAM Sacs are starting to look good!