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The reality of the goon freighter ganking in Uedema and neighboring systems.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#101 - 2012-09-18 16:34:39 UTC
Imp Palpatin wrote:
Something should be done about this. Goons have no honor and CCP is clearly making the game to benefit them.

Now excuse me while I roll around in my piles and piles of ISK. :ScroogeMcduck:

FTFY

ITT people whine about freighters getting popped when there are several ways to avoid it, the least of which is to use a freighter belonging to someone else, this is now a stealth advertisement for Red Frog & PushX

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Medarr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2012-09-18 16:36:58 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main.


Hypocrit much
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-09-18 16:37:22 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Imp Palpatin wrote:
Something should be done about this. Goons have no honor and CCP is clearly making the game to benefit them.

Now excuse me while I roll around in my piles and piles of ISK. :ScroogeMcduck:

FTFY

ITT people whine about freighters getting popped when there are several ways to avoid it, the least of which is to use a freighter belonging to someone else, this is now a stealth advertisement for Red Frog & PushX


People would cry because Red Frog and PushX charge something to move their goods.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2012-09-18 16:37:51 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.


Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.


I laugh whenever i read this, sec status literally means nothing to a suicide ganker who is doing it right

Actually as most rely on alts, they don't *actually* do it right, *because* they rely on alts.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#105 - 2012-09-18 16:48:17 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere. They will shoot it with an alt character to get the freighter into pvp, this stops the pilot from logging out. Due to how effective this is, there is no escape for the freighter pilot. Once you've jumped into that system in a freighter, you've given them a 100% guaranteed kill on you. Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.

I also watched their characters log in one by one and then suddenly all of them logged off on my contacts at precisely the same moment, looks like his computer crashed :D

Checked their character history, about half of them joined the corp on the same day and the other half were all new characters, created on the same day, earlier this year.

They also use log in traps, to trick people into thinking they're offline, the bumpers wait for a target and when one is found and held in place, the ganking characters are logged in to destroy it.

Perhaps everyone should start doing this, it's a really easy way to earn isk and get epic kills. Plenty of people with multiple accounts and the time to burn.

For a list of their ganking characters just look up Furious Father on a killboard and see his freighter kills and who was part of it.



One of the many things wrong with the game.

It's one guy, running all those accounts on one or more computers. Using a single keyboard/software that allows you operate all accounts at the same time. CCP has said this is ok, which is not surprising, as long as they can get someone to pay the accounts, they can collect the money.
With endless isk from CCP's moon-goo debacle, Goon's can buy and pay for any number of accounts, any number of ships, and create havoc in the game without any help at all.
You can create a 500 man blob with 50 people easily, don't have to worry about everyone logging on, as long as the core players are there.

I wonder if CCP will ever disclose how many live people actually play the game anymore. If they have 300k subs, I'd bet there are no more than 20k-30k people running them all. Shocked



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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-09-18 16:54:35 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.


Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.


I laugh whenever i read this, sec status literally means nothing to a suicide ganker who is doing it right

Actually as most rely on alts, they don't *actually* do it right, *because* they rely on alts.


You would still need a basic level of security to not get blown up as soon as you hit high sec no? I know it's a really low requirement but still. They can't only blow up ship till the cows come home. They will have to grind it a bit abck once they made enough aggression in high sec...
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#107 - 2012-09-18 17:04:00 UTC
BillyBanter wrote:
They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?


Bumping mechanics are pretty broken, a speed boat trying to bump an oil tanker would end up as drift wood.

The same should be true in EvE.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#108 - 2012-09-18 17:04:22 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
BillyBanter wrote:
The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.


Its the creation of the cheaper T3 battle cruisers which made this tactic cheap & therefore nerfed the Frieghters in HI SEC w/o a balancing buff.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-09-18 17:10:36 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.


Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.


I laugh whenever i read this, sec status literally means nothing to a suicide ganker who is doing it right

Actually as most rely on alts, they don't *actually* do it right, *because* they rely on alts.


You would still need a basic level of security to not get blown up as soon as you hit high sec no? I know it's a really low requirement but still. They can't only blow up ship till the cows come home. They will have to grind it a bit abck once they made enough aggression in high sec...


Most suicide gankers that i know, (me included) have trained a toon specifically for the task, and so sec status isnt a concern

Being -10 only means the navy shoot at you, and they arent as attentive or quick as concord who only go for people that are GCC.

The only real threat to a -10 toon is insta-lock ships fishing for killmails on busy gates

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-09-18 17:12:04 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Its the creation of the cheaper T3 battle cruisers which made this tactic cheap & therefore nerfed the Frieghters in HI SEC w/o a balancing buff.
You are conveniently forgetting that they nerfed insurance payouts for concord losses, meaning it actually became more costly to suicide gank

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#111 - 2012-09-18 17:16:11 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Actually as most rely on alts, they don't *actually* do it right, *because* they rely on alts.

butthert detected

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#112 - 2012-09-18 17:25:07 UTC
Ensign X wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing. Big smile


Maybe you would like to explain what these "friends" are going to do while the volley from 8+ Tornadoes tears through your hull? They'll have a good show, for sure, and can pop your wreck for you, but in the battle of Alpha vs. Friends, Alpha wins all the ******* time. Lol


It takes about 25 tornados (or more) to alpha a freighter in one volley. Typically our gangs run about 10 - 15 members. We use high DPS high ROF ships to take down the freighters. The best way to stop us is wait till we go GCC then jam us with two or three blackbirds. Easy.
Slap Chop
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2012-09-18 17:25:43 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
very simple. get your own noob alt and as soon as goon pop a freighter pop the wreck, repeat and start ransoming goons


Sounds simple only to the simple minded. Ask the persons who have interfered with ministry business how it worked out for them.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#114 - 2012-09-18 17:28:20 UTC
If CCP wants to nerf suicide gankers they could make these 2 rules:

1) If while under CONCORD aggression you kill a ship, you pay the insurance payout for that ship.

2) If your wallet is negative, you may not board any ship bigger than a shuttle. (Lore: Ship crews are paid from the interest earned from the total of all ISK in all wallets. If yours is negative, you are not contributing to the crew wage pool, so you are not allowed to use a crewed ship.)

Suicide ganking would still be possible. Profitable? Not as much. They would just have to be even more selective.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2012-09-18 17:32:41 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Jesus Christ, You pubbies *****

stopped reading at this point.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#116 - 2012-09-18 17:33:15 UTC
Wyke Mossari wrote:
BillyBanter wrote:
They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?


Bumping mechanics are pretty broken, a speed boat trying to bump an oil tanker would end up as drift wood.

The same should be true in EvE.


You want an ibis to pierce a hole in your capital? Cuz they are both made out of trit. The fast projectile ship could penetrate the armor same as steel shells fired from tank would penetrate steel plates. Going full realism has drawback sometime.
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-09-18 17:36:18 UTC
I fail to understand the premise for why a mechanic change is at all necessary. We all signed up knowing this was a PVP MMO about violence in space. The trailers themselves include acts of theft, piracy, and espionage. Everything here is working as intended as far as I can tell. The poor decisions of a few pilots unskilled in the mechanics of the game does not constitute grounds for wild, unjustified theory crafting.
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-09-18 17:36:32 UTC
hey look it's a thread about me

the best kind of thread out there
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#119 - 2012-09-18 17:36:59 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
If CCP wants to nerf suicide gankers they could make these 2 rules:

1) If while under CONCORD aggression you kill a ship, you pay the insurance payout for that ship.



Yeh insurance on a freighter is like 300mil or something. Oh noes.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#120 - 2012-09-18 17:38:25 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
If CCP wants to nerf suicide gankers they could make these 2 rules:

1) If while under CONCORD aggression you kill a ship, you pay the insurance payout for that ship.



Yeh insurance on a freighter is like 300mil or something. Oh noes.
Fine than three times the value of the insurance payout, even if it puts your wallet in the negative. Twisted
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