EVE General Discussion

Have you tried it without pants? I hear this is truly the only way one may enjoy Eve.

No Pants ops used to be quite the thing...

Are you for real? You post this and then disappear. You are already in a corp in fact tried a few of them. So then answer this, why do you keep coming back to eve? That will give people a method to guide you better into eve.

Like many people have said, it's finding something you enjoy doing.

For me personally, it's switching the balance between difference areas. I've personally never bought plex and see no reason to do so. Switch it up a little, do some missions, FW to get loot. Reprocess the loot to build ships for PVP or PVE and then get involved with a group of like minded people.

Even mining can be fun if you're around the right kind of people :)

Problem number 1 is you are listening to too many people that give bad advice. You can do any of the things you listed without waiting for your skills to max out. Just get started doing them as you skill up. Know that it is harder at your skill level but not impossible. And it will get easier and more profitable as you increase skills.

Join a corp that will encourage you if your corp discourages your ideas then leave it. What will really help you get started is to join CAS corp a NPC corp as a starter corp. They will help you learn the game at your own speed and encourage your growth.
But also know that you need to research how the game functions on your own more so than relying on others to tell you how it works. Keep in mind that this game ultimately is everybody against everybody. So nobody in game has your best interests at heart. That means learning the game is ultimately up to you and there is a lot of it to learn.

Last even somebody with level 5 skills is beatable by someone with L1 or 2 skills if the player at L5 does not know how to play the game. Note learning how to play the game is far more important than L5 skills are.

Tools google the internet and youtube are all great resources to use to learn the game. Start reading everything you can find.

EVE University is also a great learning corp. They will take you step by step through the game to teach it to you.
EVE University courses are also available to everyone online and you can learn the game from their resources without joining them if you want. Just search for it. Enable yourself is the single best piece of advice anyone can give you about eve.

This is completely untrue, and you need to go find whomever told you this nonsense and do grievous harm to them for being such a bunch of dickbags as to trick you that way.

You need moderate skills to have moderately good foundation for doing things; you need maxed skills to have nothing else to train in the area… but those are just foundations. You still need to build on top of them with player skills. Waiting for the SP to tick in will mean you are so much farther behind than you were when you had no SP.

If you want to try something, go get the skills for it (to I or II, or maybe even III — it shouldn't take more than an hour or five) and see if you like it. If you do, go for the lvl-IV as well and go into business. For some things, there might be prerequisites that require you to train skills higher, but those are (rare) exceptions. The entire trick lies in you knowing how stuff works and taking advantage of that knowledge. Without that knowledge, you will die in PvP; you will dive head-long into massive loss in manufacturing; you will lose money when selling… and no amount of SP will save you from those losses.

I got along fine on manufacturing T1 equipment without Production Efficiency V, simply by knowing what I was doing, and the idiots that gave you that poor advice will be very quick to point out that this is completely impossible… and it probably is, for them, because they're idiots.

It's a money sink, the future never comes, why do you think all the vets are so bitter; after several years and several accounts, $1000s, they are still hoping the future will be better.

It won't be, it is a game that is not about having fun today, it is a game about waiting to have fun tomorrow.

As others have suggested, FW is very cheap to get into and a fun way to get involved in pvp. If you are looking for a Caldari FW corp, mine is recruiting, just email the CEO.

I should add that you might want to join EVE University or Agony Unleashed. They're a great place for players who crave a more "guided" experience in the game, but since they're run by other players, they are dynamic and always changing. Red vs Blue (RVB) is also a load of fun for small-gang PVP in hisec (though it's not really intended for noobs).

EVE is unique as an MMO. It is a true sandbox. there is no final level where the only way to grow is start another alt.

It is a true living online game world, with a player driven economy, and for the most part player driven content.

The point of an MMO(Massive Mutiplayer Online) game is to play with other real people. If you are playing by yourself you will get bored as it is not designed for solo play.

EVE has many aspects of game play, mining, exploring, manufacturing, PVE combat, missions, faction wars, every type of PVP combat, trading, etc.

The tutorials as designed to give you a taste of each career path to help you decide what you like.

Once you decide what sort of gameplay you enjoy look for a player corp that participates in that type of game play.

You say you want to get into PVP. Than do it. You can not expect to jump into battleship fleet fights right out of the gate any more than a WOW player can run raids on their first day.

Learning the game mechanics is far more important than how many skill points you have. By the time you learn how EVE works you will have the skill points to you need.

Flying a battleship before you are ready will only lead to a blown up battleship. And by ready I am not speaking of the skill points needed to fly the ship. Do not fly anything bigger than a cruiser until you know what you are doing, or you will just die that much faster.

Before you know it you will be setting goals for yourself, and working together with your like minded corp mates to achieve those goals.

it takes some time to get into an open sandbox game like EVE. there is no linear game progression as most other MMO's have.

What would you rather do in an MMO. Play with the narrow goal of hitting max level so you can enjoy the end game content, just to get bored of it after a few years and go looking for a new game. Or play a game where there is no max level. where there is always something new to try, or some new skill to train. A game where your character continues to grow without end.

EVE has survived for over nine years and has continued to grow while so many other MMO's have hit there peaks and fallen after only a few years. It is the complexity and open ended play of EVE that sets it apart and makes it unique. The steep learning curve and constant challenge it has for players keeps it interesting. The players of EVE love the game for these reasons and many more.

If this sounds appealing to you, then EVE is well worth the effort to learn and get into. If you want something easy, that you can dominate after only a few weeks of playing, than EVE is not for you.

You can get into EVE PVP within the first few days of playing. But it will take you years to master and dominate the game. The first step if you seek PVP is to get into a PVP player corp that will teach you the ropes. After a few months, you will only be flying a cannon fodder frigate when you chose to. Even 9 year veteran players occasionally PVP in frigates, and when they do a 2-3 month old player has a high chance of killing them. No urber elite unkillable veterans in this game. What you fly is far more dictated by what you can afford to replace than by what you have skills to fly.

Not every EVE veteran is flying around in a Titan or Super Carrier even though they are the highest class ships in the game. Many will be flying the same ships that a 3 month old character fly's.

Capital ships are the closest thing in EVE to end game content. They take a long time to skill up for, cost billions of isk, and can get popped 30 seconds after undocking in them, just like any other ship. Titans and Super Carriers can cost over 60 billion isk, take several months to build, and still get popped quickly when not properly supported. There is no end to this game, where you have all the best gear and have nothing left to work toward. For even if you decide you do want to be a Titan pilot, your ship can get destroyed, and will. Do not fly what you can not afford to lose.

When you reach a point in game where you are in an alliance that can build Titans, and have the skills to properly fly one, there will be a great abundance of other things to do in game. You will have no issues with wondering if you will have anything to do today, more likely you will be asking yourself; "How am I going to get everything done I need to do? I can only log in for 4-5 hours today."