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[Winter] Attack Cruisers

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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#61 - 2012-09-18 13:37:11 UTC
Welp... Guess I can't call it the Crapacal anymore. That thing is gonna actually be kinda mean.

Stabber is alot more like the Vaga, so good training I guess. And that extra mid should help out alot.

Even though I don't fly it much, coulda wished for a bit more armor love for the Thorax. Not keen on it's new shield tank role, but it'll be really damn effective.

No idea on the Omen. But kinda concerned about the effect the Lazor changes will have on the Harbie. Will it become the new flavor of awesome when the Drake and Cane get beaten to death?
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#62 - 2012-09-18 13:40:06 UTC
Expect the Vexor to receive a Repair bonus in line with Incursus and Myrmidon...
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
#63 - 2012-09-18 13:45:59 UTC
overall nice base to iterate upon. at this point we shall let the testing begin?

as some other people already remarked, there are a lot of drone bays handed out. and im not sure if i like this development.
for one, because then drones can't be counted as a special gallente thing and additionally drone crontrol is quite unhandy, unresponsive and annoying atm.

the changes to medium arties took me by suprise. i was not aware of any fitting problems with medium arties. i fear this will encourage some mean 720mm alpha monster fits, which still have a decent tank and propulsion.
maybe this means some heavy fitting nerf for cane and maybe cyclone?
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#64 - 2012-09-18 13:47:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1936476#post1936476
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I'll start off with the orphan announcement. In the Attack Cruiser thread we also announced changes to medium gun fittings. We're going to be changing the hurricane at the same time but I wanted that thread to stay dedicated to the specific cruiser balance instead of getting derailed so we're moving that here.
Since we planning to reduce the powergrid needs of all medium artillery by 10% across the board, we are also planning to subtract 225 PG from the Hurricane, leaving it with a base powergrid of 1125.
The upshot is that fitting a full rack of 720s with a MWD and LSE and full mids and lows will require a RCUII and either an ACR or PG implant. Also fitting a standard shield autocane with neuts and LSE will require dropping a few guns down to 220mm.
The hurricane will likely receive significantly more changes when we get to battlecruisers in the balance pass, but this is designed as a compensation for the drop in Arty PG and to help alleviate the problem of Arty ships having so much free PG when they use autocannons.
Hopefully first & last cross-mentioning of this then as per Fozzie's desire.
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#65 - 2012-09-18 13:54:45 UTC
Seems like a decent temporary adjustment until they have time to properly balance the BCs. Thx for spotting this...
Hoarr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-09-18 13:56:17 UTC
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. These changes look awesome. It's good to see the omen getting some much needed love.
Svennig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-09-18 13:59:58 UTC
These changes look good, but with a few caveats.

Firstly, I'm not sure that the thorax is quick enough to be viable. The stabber, although not quite as fast after these changes, is still king of the speed demons, and once you add on a highly versatile weapon system (autocannons) and a lowslot and a medslot to buff it's tank and gank, this seems unbalanced IMHO. Gallente are still the runts of the litter - lots of on-paper DPS that can't be applied because everything kites or out-ranges them.

Secondly, there's a clear bias towards shield tanking here, so it remains to be seen what happens with the Combat cruiser lines and if they favour armor. The omen is going to be an interesting one to watch as it can't really effectively shield tank, but has a more-forgiving weapon system and a lowslot for gank/optimal.
Alara IonStorm
#68 - 2012-09-18 14:01:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Hoarr wrote:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. These changes look awesome. It's good to see the omen getting some much needed love.

The Omens the change I really like. Thorax too but I would prefer an extra low over the Shield Fit everyone will be flying. Give it some good Dmg as an Armor setup.
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#69 - 2012-09-18 14:04:59 UTC
Pinky Denmark wrote:
Expect the Vexor to receive a Repair bonus in line with Incursus and Myrmidon...


I'd be ok with that (if it was 10% like the incursus), but it'd mean losing one of the two solid bonuses it already has Sad

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-09-18 14:09:16 UTC
MisterNick wrote:
Pinky Denmark wrote:
Expect the Vexor to receive a Repair bonus in line with Incursus and Myrmidon...


I'd be ok with that (if it was 10% like the incursus), but it'd mean losing one of the two solid bonuses it already has Sad




Just means you take the hybrid bonus off, bc let's be honest. If you want to fit any kind of tank on a vex you have to put light guns on it anyway :(


And also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that adding a ton of drones to every other ship in the game besides gallente hulls is a serious problem.

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Grog Drinker
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-09-18 14:21:45 UTC
Yun Kuai wrote:

And also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that adding a ton of drones to every other ship in the game besides gallente hulls is a serious problem.


Amarr drone boats have always had more versatility in drones than Gallente. The sentinel, curse, and pilgrim have a larger drone bay with smaller bandwidth to support this.

Expect to see more drones on amarr ships as CCP has chosen drones as amarr's secondary weapon system. I expect Gal hulls will maintain their higher bandwidth as they are more reliant on drone dps.
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#72 - 2012-09-18 14:24:10 UTC
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:
Welp... Guess I can't call it the Crapacal anymore. That thing is gonna actually be kinda mean.
Correction. After the Hvy Missile changes it will still be the Crapacal. HAMs might be viable with the PG buff, but will still need fitting mods. I am no longer enthusiastic.
Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-09-18 14:24:41 UTC
Grog Drinker wrote:
Yun Kuai wrote:

And also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that adding a ton of drones to every other ship in the game besides gallente hulls is a serious problem.


Amarr drone boats have always had more versatility in drones than Gallente. The sentinel, curse, and pilgrim have a larger drone bay with smaller bandwidth to support this.

Expect to see more drones on amarr ships as CCP has chosen drones as amarr's secondary weapon system. I expect Gal hulls will maintain their higher bandwidth as they are more reliant on drone dps.



I'm okay with the arbi/pilgrim/curse getting the drones as I like flying those ships, but the other ships don't need and should not have them. All you will see on that omen is ecm-300s and sniperish high dps ship

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Allandri
Liandri Industrial
#74 - 2012-09-18 14:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Allandri
After reading the missile re-balance thread, I am now even more fervent in my suggestion that the Caracal lose the missile range bonus in exchange for a 5% or 7.5% per level explosion velocity bonus per ship level.
Grog Drinker
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-09-18 14:30:45 UTC
Yun Kuai wrote:
[quote=Grog Drinker]
I'm okay with the arbi/pilgrim/curse getting the drones as I like flying those ships, but the other ships don't need and should not have them. All you will see on that omen is ecm-300s and sniperish high dps ship


The omen is now in line with the geddon which also has a large drone bay that contributes a significant amount to its dps.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2012-09-18 14:31:40 UTC
Yun Kuai wrote:
Grog Drinker wrote:
Yun Kuai wrote:

And also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that adding a ton of drones to every other ship in the game besides gallente hulls is a serious problem.


Amarr drone boats have always had more versatility in drones than Gallente. The sentinel, curse, and pilgrim have a larger drone bay with smaller bandwidth to support this.

Expect to see more drones on amarr ships as CCP has chosen drones as amarr's secondary weapon system. I expect Gal hulls will maintain their higher bandwidth as they are more reliant on drone dps.



I'm okay with the arbi/pilgrim/curse getting the drones as I like flying those ships, but the other ships don't need and should not have them. All you will see on that omen is ecm-300s and sniperish high dps ship

Amarr is getting/should have utility drones on as many of there ships much as gallente has, not the bandwidth to use than all at once. I would be quite OK seeing the omen with a little more drone bay +10 maybe or less bandwidth -15, giving it superb utility drone selection and still not undermining Gallente as the drone leader

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#77 - 2012-09-18 14:33:48 UTC
Yun Kuai wrote:
I'm okay with the arbi/pilgrim/curse getting the drones as I like flying those ships, but the other ships don't need and should not have them. All you will see on that omen is ecm-300s and sniperish high dps ship
While I agree with the concern about drones everywhere, you imply ec-300s & ECM will survive winter.
Bap1811
Shiva
Northern Coalition.
#78 - 2012-09-18 14:53:21 UTC
I guess one of the lows is an RCU if you want HAMs on it, might be ok with 2 bcs and DC but suddenly I'm afraid that **** doesnt have enough CPU.

Cant exactly fiddle around with it without eft but please make sure you can fit DC, BCS BCS, RCU (?) MWD, LSE, LSE X, X, 5 hams. Probably still get **** EHP.
Eternal Error
Doomheim
#79 - 2012-09-18 15:11:16 UTC
No love for medium rails?
Nicholai Sanse
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
#80 - 2012-09-18 15:14:12 UTC
Zealots just went from ballin' to megaballin',