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Can CCP Foil the Mining Bots by simply enabling it legitmately?
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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#21 - 2012-09-17 21:09:49 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
As a non AFK miner I find your idea horrid and would have me quitting in a mississippi second, and I am pretty sure most legit miners would quit. I get that most people do not like mining, but there are some of us who do not mind it. You would ruin the game for many of those people. I am not worried about this becoming part of the game, CCP has a hatred for botting, and they have a love of real life dollars. Dollars will will win out every time.

Actually according to CCP surveys, most players somewhat like or very much like mining. I don't know where this idea that "most people do not like mining" comes from, but it sure does not come from player data.

http://eve-files.com/dl/255173

The data does show that more survey respondents selected "Somewhat dislike" or "Very much dislike" for mining than any other game activity. About 25% of them. So its the most hated activity, but only by 25% of the respondents. Hardly a reason to remove the activity from the game, especially when over 50% of the respondents like it.

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Robert De'Arneth
#22 - 2012-09-17 21:17:13 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
As a non AFK miner I find your idea horrid and would have me quitting in a mississippi second, and I am pretty sure most legit miners would quit. I get that most people do not like mining, but there are some of us who do not mind it. You would ruin the game for many of those people. I am not worried about this becoming part of the game, CCP has a hatred for botting, and they have a love of real life dollars. Dollars will will win out every time.

Actually according to CCP surveys, most players somewhat like or very much like mining. I don't know where this idea that "most people do not like mining" comes from, but it sure does not come from player data.

http://eve-files.com/dl/255173

The data does show that more survey respondents selected "Somewhat dislike" or "Very much dislike" for mining than any other game activity. About 25% of them. So its the most hated activity, but only by 25% of the respondents. Hardly a reason to remove the activity from the game, especially when over 50% of the respondents like it.



I am just going from the board flavor, and this thread is another attempt to ruin a part of the game me and friends like, mining leads to cheap parts and ships. I like your stats, and that seems to be more what in game is like, rather then the boards. I honestly do not understand why the OP would like to allow botters, I report any suspects I see, they are taking ISK from the childern!!!

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Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-09-17 21:19:43 UTC
why this no locked for trolling.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#24 - 2012-09-17 21:20:49 UTC
Botting is the gateway drug RMT...
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#25 - 2012-09-17 21:38:03 UTC
James 315 wrote:
The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec. Smile

No, no, no!

Miners desperately need a buff, not a nerf. They should get a 1% chance of dropping a random officer mod when podded in high sec. Twisted

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-09-17 23:55:54 UTC
OP hasn't heard about mining drones?

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Smiknight
Smiknight Corporation
#27 - 2012-09-17 23:57:32 UTC
1) Reverse psychology doesn't always work.

2) This is botting we are talking about, not weed.
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Agent Akari
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#28 - 2012-09-18 00:31:45 UTC
You can delay afk miners by bumping them out of range if you want.

If they are in a player corp, war dec them.

If you have reported them and a GM/CCP hasn't done anything yet, they are fishing for more proof or the reported players have too much activity from the owner.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#29 - 2012-09-18 00:39:11 UTC
James 315 wrote:
The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec. Smile


They handle themselves quite well actually. Though a proud highsec warrior as yourself wouldn't know that. Botting isn't a highsec only thing.

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Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#30 - 2012-09-18 01:01:10 UTC
Khorkrak wrote:
What I mean is this: you would buy a module like any other that would enable you to control your ship remotely like a drone to mine automatically while you say fly around in an orca or some other ship perhaps to shoot roots. I don't mean allowing 3rd party bot programs.

In fact you could control X barges with advanced skill Smile


The module you suggest would still require that someone be 'at the keyboard'. AFK/bot mining is different -- a bot allows a player to leave the game totally unattended, which presents an unfair advantage against those who need to do such mundane things as sleep and/or work.

In addition, the constant influx of minerals from AFK mining damages the EVE economy -- demand for a product is generated when the rate and ease of supply varies. Bots that generate a steady input of resources decrease demand overall.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#31 - 2012-09-18 05:50:47 UTC
James 315 wrote:
The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec. Smile


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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#32 - 2012-09-18 06:02:22 UTC
James 315 wrote:
The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion.


Are you suggesting that the recent changes to mining barges, and an upcoming mining frigate, are not effectively nerfing hisec mining into oblivion? Check out ice prices, and tell me that ice harvesting as a profession is not dead.

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William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#33 - 2012-09-18 06:06:45 UTC
Didn't want to get into industry anyway. This would practically kill the entire industry sector of EVE. Prices would plummet as people all get the "bot module". Sure gankers might kill a few more with that lower EHP but not enough to halt the prices from falling.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-09-18 06:09:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
We saw it in X² first.


How good ganking mechanics are in that game? Did ganking miners feel good?
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-09-18 06:46:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Schneider
Is this a CCP trap? as in people who agree and like the first post is going to be investigated or something? I bet it is, good one CCP.

Vincent Athena wrote:
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
As a non AFK miner I find your idea horrid and would have me quitting in a mississippi second, and I am pretty sure most legit miners would quit. I get that most people do not like mining, but there are some of us who do not mind it. You would ruin the game for many of those people. I am not worried about this becoming part of the game, CCP has a hatred for botting, and they have a love of real life dollars. Dollars will will win out every time.

Actually according to CCP surveys, most players somewhat like or very much like mining. I don't know where this idea that "most people do not like mining" comes from, but it sure does not come from player data.

http://eve-files.com/dl/255173

The data does show that more survey respondents selected "Somewhat dislike" or "Very much dislike" for mining than any other game activity. About 25% of them. So its the most hated activity, but only by 25% of the respondents. Hardly a reason to remove the activity from the game, especially when over 50% of the respondents like it.

I don't do mining, but if people ask me "Do you like mining aspect of Eve?", I would probably say yes. The problem is.

  • I hate afk miners
  • I hate whining miners saying this is not a pvp game and telling people they should be left alone, in a sandbox game.

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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-09-18 06:57:42 UTC
A while ago, the Devs whacked a bunch botters. It turned out that bot accounts use disproportionately more CPU than a regular account. So planning system utilization only, itt might cause perma-lagg.

But instead of bots, I like the SWTOR method: you send your helpers out to do jobs. The jobs cost $$$, and take some time based upon complexity. Eventually, the helper returns with the goods, and it does not always pay better than manually farming. But, you can set up a bunch of jobs to run, sleep all night, and wake up in the morning with a bunch of auto-farmed goods. Some things are only available via the helper farmimg, other stuffz you can farm manually if you want. It a nice system that frees up the players time for actual gaming and not grinding the materials.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2012-09-18 07:00:22 UTC
Khorkrak wrote:
So we have Plex which is both a way to pay for the game with game money and real money redirecting funds that otherwise would go to ISK sellers back to CCP. Brilliant! Then there's the character bazaar where slackers can go a buy a character instead of training one up which they'd do anyway on eBay otherwise so CCP is smarter than most game companies and instead enables this while charging a fee in real money for it.

What about botting? In particular for mining. Would be be wise to enable this as a legitimate feature in the game with say a penalty to ship defenses to do it because of the required AI module so as to throw a bone to high sec gankers? Could something like this significantly diminish the allure of these cheat programs?

Why continue mining manually then? Well perhaps it would be like the difference between driving stick vs automatic. You can choose the best asteroids to mine if you control your ship directly etc.



A better solution is to have PvE that doesn't reward bot-like behaviour

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Ghazu
#38 - 2012-09-18 07:04:23 UTC
Sure make all the bots go gcc flashy red, see the problem with highsec?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-09-18 07:05:17 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
A better solution is to have PvE that doesn't reward bot-like behaviour


Like letting those who know how this game should be played shoot other players in hisec without getting Concordonkened?
Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-09-18 07:32:01 UTC
James 315 wrote:
The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec. Smile

Or someone will have to bump those AFK-miners and bots out of range. I'm looking at you, James.

CCP won't add this. They consider botting a bannable offense, so there's no way they would make it an actual option.

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