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Vanguard Investments. Too lazy to invest? Need ISK for an ipo? Looking for safer bonds? Look here!
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Elmo Zumwalt
Elmo's Roughnecks
#21 - 2012-09-16 22:47:45 UTC
Chiyeung Bonaparte wrote:
Elmo Zumwalt wrote:
Let's say you get scammed. What happens then? Whose account takes the hit?

Will everyone equally have their accounts deducted, or will one poor soul get the entire amount deducted from his account?


It depends, if a certain investment is in a client portfolio and it default, yes it will be entirely deducted. If it is spread out out among st different ones, it will be spread across the different portfolios. The clients and me usually talk and converse on a weekly basis on what bonds, they want to invest in.


If they are talking to you about what they want to invest in, why don't they just do it themselves? seems dumb
Chiyeung Bonaparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-09-17 00:05:52 UTC
Elmo Zumwalt wrote:
Chiyeung Bonaparte wrote:
Elmo Zumwalt wrote:
Let's say you get scammed. What happens then? Whose account takes the hit?

Will everyone equally have their accounts deducted, or will one poor soul get the entire amount deducted from his account?


It depends, if a certain investment is in a client portfolio and it default, yes it will be entirely deducted. If it is spread out out among st different ones, it will be spread across the different portfolios. The clients and me usually talk and converse on a weekly basis on what bonds, they want to invest in.


If they are talking to you about what they want to invest in, why don't they just do it themselves? seems dumb


Good point, so far my clients have been people who are still subbed but don't have time to login or play as much as they like to.
Chiyeung Bonaparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-09-17 04:18:29 UTC
A mailing list has been set up for greater transparency
Anemone221
Black Omega Security
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#24 - 2012-09-17 04:18:42 UTC
Got my First Vanguard bond. Thanks Chiyeung hope this pans out well.
Elmo Zumwalt
Elmo's Roughnecks
#25 - 2012-09-18 01:21:06 UTC
Chiyeung Bonaparte wrote:
Elmo Zumwalt wrote:
Chiyeung Bonaparte wrote:
Elmo Zumwalt wrote:
Let's say you get scammed. What happens then? Whose account takes the hit?

Will everyone equally have their accounts deducted, or will one poor soul get the entire amount deducted from his account?


It depends, if a certain investment is in a client portfolio and it default, yes it will be entirely deducted. If it is spread out out among st different ones, it will be spread across the different portfolios. The clients and me usually talk and converse on a weekly basis on what bonds, they want to invest in.


If they are talking to you about what they want to invest in, why don't they just do it themselves? seems dumb


Good point, so far my clients have been people who are still subbed but don't have time to login or play as much as they like to.


Looks like what I was talking about is already panning out. Looks like you got scammed already.
Chiyeung Bonaparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-09-18 04:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Chiyeung Bonaparte
Elmo Zumwalt wrote:
Chiyeung Bonaparte wrote:
Elmo Zumwalt wrote:
Chiyeung Bonaparte wrote:
Elmo Zumwalt wrote:
Let's say you get scammed. What happens then? Whose account takes the hit?

Will everyone equally have their accounts deducted, or will one poor soul get the entire amount deducted from his account?


It depends, if a certain investment is in a client portfolio and it default, yes it will be entirely deducted. If it is spread out out among st different ones, it will be spread across the different portfolios. The clients and me usually talk and converse on a weekly basis on what bonds, they want to invest in.


If they are talking to you about what they want to invest in, why don't they just do it themselves? seems dumb


Good point, so far my clients have been people who are still subbed but don't have time to login or play as much as they like to.


Looks like what I was talking about is already panning out. Looks like you got scammed already.


Our clients isk has been invested in other vehicles of investment, if the client is really that wary, he can simply ask those owners of the bonds to pay them through them instead of me (eg, Grendell, etc.)

I have wallet transaction proof that I have sent their isk and whom Ive sent it to, so no problems there.
My clients also have a portfolio showing where their isk is being invested in.

You can keep posting on my thread and bump me some more, I'll appreciate it. I am trying to run a legitimate business. I have run corporations in the past, and I have a large amount of people who can vouch for my character if needed.

If you want to keep calling this a scam, go ahead but if my clients offer to show their portfolios, it will certainly erase your doubts.
But to do that, you will have to ask them yourselves because I have no right to show them to the public.
Elmo Zumwalt
Elmo's Roughnecks
#27 - 2012-09-18 04:47:12 UTC
I didn't say that your "fund" is necessarily a scam, I said that you got scammed.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1929952#post1929952

This is your post, correct? You bought into a scam, and you are now out of 2 billion isk.

So now what?
Chiyeung Bonaparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-09-18 04:50:36 UTC
Elmo Zumwalt wrote:
I didn't say that your "fund" is necessarily a scam, I said that you got scammed.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1929952#post1929952

This is your post, correct? You bought into a scam, and you are now out of 2 billion isk.

So now what?


You mean 1 billion isk?
You move on, we have specific reasons for investing in that bond, primarily because of our client. Thats why you diversify your investments in low, medium and higher risk funds and be prepared for losses at times.
Elmo Zumwalt
Elmo's Roughnecks
#29 - 2012-09-18 04:58:33 UTC
Chiyeung Bonaparte wrote:
Elmo Zumwalt wrote:
I didn't say that your "fund" is necessarily a scam, I said that you got scammed.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1929952#post1929952

This is your post, correct? You bought into a scam, and you are now out of 2 billion isk.

So now what?


You mean 1 billion isk?
You move on, we have specific reasons for investing in that bond, primarily because of our client. Thats why you diversify your investments in low, medium and higher risk funds and be prepared for losses at times.


So you're charging people to lose their money for them. cool.
Chiyeung Bonaparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-09-18 14:23:51 UTC
Elmo Zumwalt wrote:
Chiyeung Bonaparte wrote:
Elmo Zumwalt wrote:
I didn't say that your "fund" is necessarily a scam, I said that you got scammed.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1929952#post1929952

This is your post, correct? You bought into a scam, and you are now out of 2 billion isk.

So now what?


You mean 1 billion isk?
You move on, we have specific reasons for investing in that bond, primarily because of our client. Thats why you diversify your investments in low, medium and higher risk funds and be prepared for losses at times.


So you're charging people to lose their money for them. cool.


If clients decide to take high risk, than sure. Thanks for the bump
Knight FadeAway
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-11-18 00:33:51 UTC
No response from Chiyeung after weeks of messages, scammer
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#32 - 2012-11-18 00:46:47 UTC
Considering he literally transcribed a real life investment company for this, I'm not surprised.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-11-18 20:40:30 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Chiyeung Bonaparte wrote:
Zoltan Lazar wrote:
Obvious ponzi idiot is obvious. Move along...


Thanks for the insightful comment. I will be here for a while.



Seeing how you just ''blindly threw'' your isk to the -A- guy in the other thread it looks like YOU are too lazy to invest.If the show in that thread is a token of how you handle investmetns i wouldn't even let you manage my toilet paper.



For the guy 2 posts above me just to clarify ... my toilet paper is NOT made out of pure silk with golden emblems in it.

Might be a confusement there on how i valued this offering Blink .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Vadane Deninard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-11-19 22:32:28 UTC
Haven't heard of this guy in quite a while either.

Before he disappeared, he seemed to be eager to invest in my previous corporation - so I'm not sure if really scammer or just overwhelmed by RL....
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