EVE General Discussion

You nerds are closely examining the decline- but conveniently ignoring where the tracking begins.

This is why people troll you and grief you ingame.

YOU NERDS ARE TAKING THIS GAME WAY TOO SERIOUSLY.

No. Because Rules and laws keep you in check in the "real" world, while you're free to express your inhibitions in a game such as Eve.


Honestly? No. It doesn't. But your sarcastic responses from here and other threads seem to be very similar. I'm just wondering.

No, that was me. I want to send an army to Africa and bring an end to the evil there, then build water purification and desalination plants, and pipe water inland to the edges of the Sahara to irrigate, create arable to farm and create agriculture while restoring the land, and then hand it over to the people in Africa who deserve it: the tribes and families who respect the land, and each other.

Allow a Democratic-Socialist government which is a partial Monarchy, led by one of the original royal families of Africa that were well loved, and respected to take control of the country after that is done and monitor the situation. Africa should be a peaceful, developing nation; instead it is a home of war and famine and disease.

Actually you're slightly wrong there, I left school in 87 and Religious Studies was still part of the curriculum, not only did we study Christianity, but we covered Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism & other mainstream religions.

Abortion is not birth control it is a last resort, the pill and condoms are birth control although some religions are very much against either of them. In some countries abortion is still illegal or a very divisive subject with protests for and against it outside of clinics.

Good and evil are determined by society at large, the question of if there is a god or not is up to the individual and what they believe and as for a higher authority than ourselves? once again society at large comes into play, if you do something that is so far from the societal norm that it offends, distresses or harms other people then you are judged by your peers.

Violent crime compared to overall population has been falling since the early to mid 90's in both the US and the UK, the figures may look to be increasing but when you compare them to an ever increasing population the percentages are actually dropping.

I have a funny feeling that I've been trolled

Role
Playing
Game

Look this up.

this is why you dont bother with threads like these, all the trolls pop up. "oh hey its okay im allowed to make fun of that players mom who just recently died because im really a good person in real life"

You know it's really 2012 when you read posts that make ethical sense on the EvE forums.

The griefer part of the playerbase does not roleplay, nor considers EvE as a game. It's more of an online Schadenfreude generator for them, since they can get cheap kicks out of getting some random dude to emorage, collect "tears" (lol so randum XD), and possibly get the griefee/gankee/scamee to quit, which is the supreme prize for them, albeit a very bizarre one if you consider this is a multiplayer game, that requires multiple people to enjoy it.

This griefer population uses ingame assets as a means to an end, that is, getting people furious. They could be dirt poor and fly t1 hulls, they don't care at all as long as they grief and make people mad.

The gamers, who usually play games for fun and enjoy roleplaying to a varying degree, share a basic and tacit agreement that in order for everyone to have fun, you shouldn't be an ars*hole. Moreover, they see the game (character, assets etc) as an end in itself, not as a means to make random strangers ragequit and break their keyboard.

It's heartening to see that after all these years the griefer part of the playerbase actually gets told and exposed as what they are: an online nuisance in virtual worlds. They are the ones who forced Ultima Online into shards, and force every MMO since then to hardcode PvP limitations and separate servers according to PvP or the lack thereof.

Should all gamers respect each other and consider online worlds as tools to roleplay, making virtual assets as ends in themselves and not as means to make their fellow gamer mad, there would not be need ever for PvP limitations. It could be FFA everywhere all the time, and that would not cause any problem, since common decency would be unconsciously applied.

Pretty much this.

I have often run gaming sessions for my children. My characters have scared them, have outraged them, have killed them, have been killed by them, and have challenged them to the limits of their abilities and imagination.

They loved every minute of it and are far more straight laced and are of stronger moral fiber than I ever was at their age. They still pester me to run game sessions for them to this day, and my elder son is 30.

It's ROLE PLAYING, by definition you are portraying a character that has a personality that is often very, very different from your own.

Here's a newsflash.

Harrison Ford isn't really a hero, he's an actor.
Alfred Hitchcock wasn't a psychotic killer, but he made up and produced movies about great ones.
Your friend that plays Dungeons and Dragons isn't really a Paladin or an Assassin, he's a nerd.
I have never committed homicide, and have no desire to... nor would I if I could easily get away with it.

People who believe otherwise have difficulty discerning the difference between fantasy and reality, what is real from make believe, and because of that limitation tend to project motivations on people that are role playing or acting that aren't really there.

They also tend to take events in a game far, far to seriously.

Now that fella that starts making fun of someone's mother that just died in real life? Yeah, he's a jerk.

But he's not a jerk because he blew up someones Mac in high sec, or declared war on your corp. He's a jerk because he took things beyond the game environment in a malicious manner. He left the realm of role playing and fantasy behind and took advantage of his anonymity to try and hurt you emotionally in real life.

That's where the line is drawn, because if his blowing up your imaginary pixels and laughing maniacally in a virtual role playing game about space ships causes you emotional distress in real life then the issue lies in your own head... not his.

If you don't know how to act like a grandmother-selling, backstabbing arsewipe, of what value is your respect and cordiality? Similarly, if you can't behave with respect and decorum when there are no consequences for poor behaviour, of what value is your lip service to law and order?

Civilization is a thin veneer over the barbarian within.